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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Jan 27, 2021.

  1. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I don't live in fear but i do like insurance. Home insurance, Health insurance, car insurance, electronics insurance. The gun insures that i have a quick a lethal last ditch option incase my life is threatened. Not when someone tries to take my car or wallet or rob a bank in front of me.

    Some of you can't comprehend that every gun owner is different. Some are super responsible, rational and want no reason to use their firearm. Who wants to deal with lawyers, Civil suits and DAs willingly?

    Like I said, When seconds count, Police are minutes away.
     
  2. jiggyfly

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    It's not ok for a 4 year old child to watch blood and guts flying and it's not ok to that everywhere on tv.

    Its ok on tv sometimes to also show a breast.

    Bad analogy.
     
  3. jiggyfly

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    Yeah you do live in fear it's obvious by the way you talk about your guns and what happened to you.

    I am not judging I just could not imagine living my life this way.

    Also that gun is really not insuring anything and its frightening that you think it does.
     
  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Thus project too much. I Live my life just fine and don't pay much attention to my concealed weapon really. I'm more of a prepper kinda guy.I like being self reliant. It's a tool, not a toy so maybe you should bury your implicate bias and pay attention to your surroundings. Lots of people you know probably carry just like me.

    I used to carry a pocket knife before (still do). Was i living in fear then too? Yeah, fear of not being able to open boxes or cut twine.
     
  5. krosfyah

    krosfyah Contributing Member

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    The issue is carrying a deadly weapon puts you and your loved ones at greater risk, statistically speaking.
    #1: x% of gun owners are hurt from accidental discharges.
    #2: Most suicides are carried out my guns because it's pretty fool proof. If somebody in your house doesn't have that option, they'd be less likely to choose another path. As evidence, suicide rates have gone up in correlation with gun ownership rates.
    #3: Criminals have an annoying tendency to surprise their victims. Guns don't help you when you get jumped.
    #4: Similar to #3, mass shootings are almost always resolved only after a large police response. Carrying a gun doesn't help.
    #5: If you feel threatened, there is always a decision to de-escalate or draw your firearm. At that point, what are you odds of getting hurt by taking either route? You have to calculate that on the spot. De-escalate may give you the best odds but judgement is clouded in a high stress situation. As such, adrenaline filled people are terrible at assessing risk. That is an indisputable biological fact. The only way to mitigate that fact is specifically do situational training exercises so you are prepared to respond. That is how the military trains ...and even that isn't foolproof.

    So again, carrying a firearm puts you and your family at greater risk, not less. It's a false sense of security.

    The data is very very clear the world over. More guns = more death. Period.

    All that said, you have a constitution right to carry firearms and I support your right to do so.
     
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    You’re also four times more likely to die traveling by car than by bus.

    I presume you travel by bus and don’t own a car.
     
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  7. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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  8. krosfyah

    krosfyah Contributing Member

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    Intellectually dishonest or lazy comparison.

    #1: People that drive cars do so to improve their daily way of life (versus a bus). #2: Folks understand the inherent risks of cars. Nobody thinks driving is inherently safer than, say, walking (or taking a bus).

    Conversely,
    #1: Carrying a concealed weapon has zero impact on improving one's daily way of life (versus not carrying). #2: The risk calculation is completely inverted. You hear gun owners say guns improve safety but statistically the reality is exactly opposite.

    Unlike car drivers, gun owners don't seem to grasp the risks involved.
     
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  9. calurker

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    You assume these questions are not asked and answered on firearms safety exam? From that I can safely assume you either don’t own a gun or don’t live in a gun controlled state.

    Gun ownership is one of the most liberating experiences. You should try it, assuming you can muster the courage.
     
  10. krosfyah

    krosfyah Contributing Member

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    I don't have a problem with gun ownership. I'm simply pointing out that most folks mis-attribute the risks as did the guy I responded to. I consistently hear people say they buy a gun for personal safety. The #s don't add up.
     
  11. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Hadn’t really thought about it. In all honesty, I probably don’t “need” any of it. And if I do, I certainly have more than I “need.” It just troubles me that there has been such a run on ammo, that places like Academy (who haven’t really embraced the price gouging) have had bare shelves for months on end. I guess I’d like to imagine that all the people buying up all the guns and ammo are political centrists like myself.......but something tells me that isn’t the case.
     
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  12. KingCheetah

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    In the form of a question...
     
  13. ThatBoyNick

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    Is this thread about guns or our hospitals?
     
  14. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    It's some sort of crazy play on words ... @bobrek might call it 'turning a phrase'.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Just some old fashion shenanigans.
     
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    Ammo is the new toilet paper.
     
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    I wouldn’t recommend that
     
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  18. glynch

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    It is the overwhelming issue on Ameriican murder rates. As for "why"? For many it is mainly a sexual/power(less) thing. Having a gun helps with these issues. For some it is a nostalgia thing, for instance my father grew up in Montana and it was very easy for his father to kill enough game to avoid a lot of meat purchases-- very useful in the Great Depression. Of course we have the nutters who think it meaningfully protects them from government repression that they also usually support -- at least if it used against people of color or Democrats/Socialists/Communists.
     
  19. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I think the numbers are a little skewed. I imagine there is correlation between the types that would carry guns to the airport and people who think Covid is not a big deal. Since there are been around 70 percent less air travelers this year overall, the number of guns confiscated actually decreased, but the rate increased.

    I'm sure there are other factors, but I would think this would probably be contributor.
     

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