Speed, I wouldn't expect the Rockets to be interested in Croshere anymore after adding both Griffin and Morris in the draft. However, if you'll take Cato, I'm sure we'll find a way to fit him in. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
What I want to know is did Toronto offer a 2 year 9.1 mill or a 4 year 22.5 million? ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
Speed, I wouldn't expect the Rockets to be interested in Croshere anymore after adding both Griffin and Morris in the draft. However, if you'll take Cato, I'm sure we'll find a way to fit him in I had asked as much a couple of months ago. Cato, I also, thought of as an option before seeing his numbers and hearing some of the venom spewed on here about him, coupled with his contract. How would Best and McKey sound. I ask because Best's contract is up next year and if the Pacers invest in ANY center of consequence they likely would lose Best next year anyway by their inability to resign him with the limitations of the luxury cap. If the Pacers stay pat, they have a good chance, if they make a trade they don't. So why not include, is the way I see it. Anyway, Is Best attractive or with Moochie, potentially, is he not. ------------------ http://jonathanbender.8m.com http://alharrington.8m.com http://jermaineoneal.8m.com
Fegan is f*cked up, he's sick. Hakeem shouldn't be a Raptor, no way he IS a Houston Rocket. He will regret leaving Houston for the rest of his life, just like Ewing will regret leaving New York. ------------------ ZeColmeia on stealing: "I did not steal anything. Ive used some of clutchcity player profiles when I first created the draft profile page."
Well, Fegan is just doing his job. He was hired to get the best deal for his client. Both sides need to compromise to keep Dream in Houston. Even if Dream leaves for Toronto or Indiana, he could still retire as a Rocket...I hope for symbolic reasons that occurs. ------------------ 13-0
I don't think so. Though Best is better in quite a few respects than Mooch, the Cat-Francis-Mooch triumvirate seems to have the magic of 'chemestry' going for it and I don't think they'd break that up. That leads me to 2 questions: 1 general and 1 for a Pacers fan General: I can't remember if you can trade on players recieved from sign and trade, or what. I know the rules are more restrictive, but Best might have value to a team like Miami or NY, and might be valuable return in that sense. Pacers Fan: I want Jeff Foster. Do you think that the Pacers would give him up in a deal for Hakeem? (Especialy with this Brezec guy supposedly looking pretty good in summer action). [This message has been edited by Ottomaton (edited July 21, 2001).]
Ottomaton, I could be wrong, but I think there is a waiting period that has to occur before you can trade players that were involved in a sign and trade. Also, I like Foster's game, but would he really have a role on this team? He's got a 4's body with 3 point range, can play multiple positions, and is cheap, but I don't see a role for him on this team. ------------------ Here is the casual assumption that a choice must be made between goodness and intelligence; that stupidity is first cousin to moral conduct, and cleverness the first step into mischief; that reason and God are not on good terms with each other; that the mind and the heart are minor buckets in the well of truth, inexorably balanced- full mind, starved heart-stout heart, weak head.
As far as to why these other free agents seem willing to rest on their laurels and wait for the Hakeem situation to be resolved seems simple. If Hakeem leaves, which is seeming more and more like a forgone conclusion, that frees up a lot of money. It looks very much to me like the sharks are circling, and they smell blood. ------------------ Gascon
Best has been rumored for Mason, surprisingly. I don't know about a sign and trade and them a trade. I assume it just becomes a 3 way trade at that point. As for Foster, they are REALLY high on him and he finished somewhere in the top 5 in rebounds per minute. He has a chance to be a double digit rebounder in this league, IMO, if given the minutes. He struggles in the half court offense, but excels in in transition. He is hardnosed and a scrapper. A role player that loves playing a role, which is rare in todays game. Even though he is limited offensively, his shot doesn't look horrible and you get the feeling he'll be able to knock down a spot up 17 footer in his prime. If the Pacers stand pat, I would guess that he will be the Pacers starting Center, which seems odd, but in the East he will be o.k. on most nights. Primoz isn't the typical Euro, he kinda seems to like to mix it up and could be pretty good, by most accounts, but not for probably 2or 3 years or so. Bruno is a 7'2" 20 foot jump shooter, (remember Brad Lohaus) he has very little defensive ability and no low post game, he isn't close to even contributing consistently, IMO. Sooooooo, I would say given Dream's age and Foster's upside that there is no way. I guess, however, that if the Pacers see Foster as mainly being a PF, which isn't the case, AND that Austin is going to stay happy with the Pacers as a career back up 3/4, but all of that is just for the sake of argument, then they could feel like he was movable. The huge thing for the Pacers in this whole thing is that they don't have a REAL center on the team. J.O. can do it, but he breaks down physically over a season and gets in foul trouble. Foster can play center, but he isn't quite beefy enough to play the postion against about a 1/3 of the teams. Hakeem or a REAL center makes it all fit together for the Pacers. They feel like if they can add a quality bigman, w/o losing the nucleus then they can contend for the minor league Eastern Conference. You gotta think that Dream easily becomes, at least a top 5 center in the East or better, even if it is for only 50 regular games and the playoffs. ------------------ http://jonathanbender.8m.com http://alharrington.8m.com http://jermaineoneal.8m.com
He can fit the undersized 4/5 role of guys like Othella in the past. Offensively, he'd be a great plugin for the Jason Collier role, except with much more athleticism and 10x the rebounding. Basically, split him at the C with Cato and have him backup Mo. With a couple of years in the weight room, in addition to the natural aging process he should be able to put on enough weight to be a somewhat legitimate center. Also, with a zone 'D' you can go with more of a smothering, quick style vs the tradional model of getting the biggest body to bang inside. ------------------
Does anyone know if Rudy T still likes Austin Croshere? If the Rockets do enter into a sign and trade with the Pacers I would think AC would be a target. He's 6'10" and 242 lbs so he is big enough to pull some duty at the 5 spot although I don't think he has the mentality and I don't like our rebounding with him and Mo occupying the low post. ------------------
You know it's a sad day when people talk about trading Hakeem Olajuwon for Jeff Foster. ------------------ Protrolls.com! Keep the ???? alive! The ZRBucks!
Foster OR McKey and Best/Perkins I think the Rockets should try and get people that have 2 year contracts and go after Duncan. That would create a dynasty, no doubt. ------------------ ZeColmeia on stealing: "I did not steal anything. Ive used some of clutchcity player profiles when I first created the draft profile page."
or keon clark. and sounding giddy about it! could you imagine someone saying to you, in '94 after dream won everything: "in 7 years, dream will be traded for either jeff foster or keon clark"? ------------------ houston rockets = 2 utah jazz = 0
I don't know why, but for some reason I saw Foster as more of a 3 playing power forward, but he is 6'11 and 242, and like you said, I could easily see him becoming an adequate center. Btw, I'd take him over Croshere. He's a definite upgrade over Collier, even with his lack of weight, and his style of play is better suited for this team. He's not as one dimensional as Collier, and he adjusts to the style of play, unlike Collier, who can only go at one pace, that being the slowed down, half court set. You ask Foster to be a banger, he'll bang. Ask him to play a transition game, and he'll run the floor. I think I'm starting to buy into Foster, but is he more attractive than a shotblocker like Clark? I would have to say so given Clark's track record. Of course, this all hinges on where Hakeem wants to go. ------------------ Here is the casual assumption that a choice must be made between goodness and intelligence; that stupidity is first cousin to moral conduct, and cleverness the first step into mischief; that reason and God are not on good terms with each other; that the mind and the heart are minor buckets in the well of truth, inexorably balanced- full mind, starved heart-stout heart, weak head. [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited July 21, 2001).]
OHHHHHHHH .. I smell a cat coming our way. Its THE CAT!. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
Let's assume for a minute, that Dream leaves & we are unable to acquire either Clark or Foster in a sign & trade. In other words, we just let Dream walk. Would you guys be interested in signing Marc Jackson outright for $5-6 mill & then sending Cato/Drew obligation to Chicago for Miller, which would give us an extra $1.6 mill in cap space? We could then resign MO/Moochie/Shandon/Bull & still be under the cap. New players in: Jackson/Miller/Griffin/T-Mo Old players out: Dream/Cato/Los/Colson Our new lineup: C: Jackson/Miller/Collier PF: MO/KT/Bull SF: Griffin/Langhi/T-Mo/Walt SG: Mobley/Shandon PG: Francis/Moochie I'd have to say that this lineup would be a serious improvement over last year's team. Dream, thanks for the memories. Wish you could stay, but all of your crap this last year & throughout these negotiations, has gotten old. Bye Bye. ------------------ A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
