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Pacers are after Kyle Lowry

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by liamrock, Jul 1, 2010.

  1. JayGoogle

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    Again, a lot of PGs come into the NBA and can't shoot.

    Is Rondo just a change of pace point guard to you?
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Hey, exactly, and he did...the Rockets traded Rafer to clear room for the better Brooks.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    DD
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    So if the Rockets trade Brooks and let Lowry start, does that mean Lowry is better?
     
  4. DaDakota

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    It might.....it would certainly make your case better.

    ;)

    DD
     
  5. justtxyank

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    Why couldn't Aaron Brooks beat out Rafer Alston?
     
  6. justtxyank

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    And perhaps the Rox are about to trade Brooks and make room for Lowry, thus defeating your point.

    Better than DD
     
  7. DaDakota

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    He did....halfway through his 2nd season forcing the Rockets to trade Rafer to a desperate Orlando team and take back Brian Cook as a poison pill.

    DD
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    Uh, they did that trade to get Lowry.
     
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  10. Mav-Hater

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    You can't start someone who can't shoot and hope he learns on the job. Why would you do that anyway when you already have someone who can shoot. If you want Lowry to learn to shoot, get him in the gym in the summer. That is why you see Martin in the off season shooting 1000 threes a day in a gym in Clearwater, Florida getting ready to play next to Yao for the first time. You don't give shooting auditions to someone while we are trying to fight for playoff position and hope he gets better. We are not the Memphis Grizzlies. We were patient with Brooks because he could shoot not patient while we were waiting for him to learn. I can't believe I wasted brain cells and time trying to explain this as I am sure it is falling on deaf ears.
     
  11. morpheus133

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    Brooks is the better option if you need a primary scorer, but if you have Bosh, Yao and Martin, there is less need for a scoring PG. While he has the potential to be more efficient and get easier shots next year if he were to play in that line up, Brooks scoring average almost certainly would decrease due to less shot attempts.

    Not to say Brooks wouldn't be missed, but you have to give up something of value to get something of value. My main point is that Lowry is even younger than Brooks who fans demanded we have patience with, and hasn't been given a chance to start yet, much like Brooks was before he was given that chance. There was reason to doubt Brooks, and there is reason to doubt Lowry, but it's foolish to automatically dismiss either at this point.

    The frustrating thing for me is when people project Brooks to continue develop as if that is an automatic and then talk about Lowry as though he is as good as he will get. IF the Rocket's trade Brooks then clearly they either feel Lowry is up to the job, or they have another plan in place to fill the hole.
     
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    Your presuming he hasn't been working on his shooting all summer long. I'm certainly not saying Lowry or anyone is going to improve his shooting "magically" one day just through in game play. If he improves it will be because he has been working on it constantly.

    Besides shooting is only one aspect of the PG role, and if you have Bosh, Yao and Martin healthy and together, scoring is probably the least important. I'd rate Lowry as the better defender and distributor/decision maker over Brooks. Brooks certainly shouldn't be given away, but you have to give something of value to get something of value.

    To be clear, I am not advocating benching Brooks in favor of Lowry, just saying that IF Brooks is the cost for getting Bosh it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
     
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    Because Alston would have thrown a total hissy fit and wrecked what was already a fragile chemistry pre-McGrady's surgery. Look what happened when he lost his starting job in Miami this year.
     
  14. BDswangHTX

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    Respect.
     
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    Lowry was a pass first guard I always thought.....? No??? wtf I need to stop reading this stuff
     
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    There's a reason why Farmar played backup (sometimes even 3rd guard to Brown). Even though Fisher has lost some step and was inconsistent last season, you could see a drop off when Farmar entered the game.
     
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    Assuming we have Bosh and Yao or only Yao, shooting is the only aspect that matters in your point guard if you are running any offense through the low post. It is why we had Kenny Smith starting over Sam Cassell. Kenny was the better shooter and gave Dream more room to work. Kenny was not the world's best PG and everybody knows Cassell was a good player but he could not shoot it like Kenny at that stage in his career and never really was able too. Unless we are going to become the GS Warriors, your point guard has to be able to shoot so his defender does not sag into Bosh or Yao's lap. This gives him room so he can make an entry pass. If his man sags, he gets a kick out for an open three. With Lowry, his man is going to sag just like they did for Rafer begging him to shoot threes. This is Basketball 101. This should not be a debate or a discussion any more. This is like a baseball thread where you are arguing you can skip first base all together and go straight to 2nd base and I am trying to explain why you can't. Or better yet, teaching the ABC's to a rock that can talk back. I give up. DD, you can go it solo. You can lead a horse to water, but you can only hope he understands why he needs to drink!!
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I get that you understand what the team is up against....as do I....but we are dealing with opinions.

    Everyone can have their own...no biggie, won't matter anyway, Bosh is most likely not even coming here......lol.

    DD
     
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    Mav, you could be right if the Rockets were still playing Gundy ball, but they are not. Not to mention Martin can be a heck of a shooter himself so Brooks may be somewhat redundant. On the other hand, it's hard to see Lowry's strengths can be easily replaced.
     
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    Shannon Brown?!?! as a PG?!?! I've seen him play and his flashy dunks . . . IMO, he's basically Steve Francis with less ball handling experience and play making ability. BBIQ is about the same, and that's why he sits on the bench for Phil Jackson.
     

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