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Our Defense sucks too !

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by DaDakota, Jul 17, 2004.

  1. rudager

    rudager Member

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    They have the highest OPS in baseball.

    I think it already has...at least on a micro (team) level.
     
  2. MadMax

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    so he signs kent in the offseason before...signs pettitte (fell in his lap?? he still has to write the check, bigboy!) signs clemens. brings in beltran in july....and they owner and the gm haven't done enough???

    right. your baseball commentary leaves something to be desired, bigboy. ;)
     
  3. MadMax

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    that may be so...i don't know. but this is not a team built around moneyball concepts...not at all. if they have the highest OPS then it flies in the face of the logic of building a beane-styled team.

    by the way...they have the highest OPS in baseball...and if the season ended tonight, would they even be in the playoffs? are they first in the wild card right now?
     
  4. rudager

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    So you'd rather he not have signed Pettitte and Clemens?
     
  5. MadMax

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    commentary too clouded by his own bias against the guy. he says at the end he doesn't like him...doesn't matter what he does.
     
  6. rudager

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    Well, they're not built in the Beane style because they can afford not to be.

    They're tied with Oakland for the Wild Card lead.
     
  7. bigboymumu

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    come on, that's not fair!
     
  8. MadMax

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    kent
    pettitte
    clemens
    beltran

    yeah...i blame gerry and drayton. :rolleyes: give me a break.
     
  9. bigboymumu

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    Dotel, Wagner, Hidalgo...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  10. rudager

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    Well, you can blame them for Bagwell (assuming he continues to play like this), Everett and Ausmus. But, yeah, this isn't a .500 team on paper. (Or a two games below .500 one for that matter! :mad:)
     
  11. rudager

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    Look, the guy's only got so much money for the team to use. No closer is worth $8 million, and Wagner's departure opened the door for two quality starters (one would be just fine, but we got two). Dotel wasn't doing his job, and he's been even worse in Oakland. Hidalgo, well, we need more time to see if it really was just a kink in his swing, but even if it is, it's hardly Drayton's job to figure that out.
     
  12. gunn

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    Max I wouldn't consider going 13-9 something remarkable.
     
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    And who signed the latter to big contracts so they could spend more years here? :rolleyes:
     
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    Casey Stengel didn't even have an abacus.

    Dumbass.
     
  15. MadMax

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    translates to about 95 wins, gunn.
     
  16. MadMax

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    great response, bigboy.
     
  17. gunn

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    It's one month Max. You can't look at one single month and project how the rest of the season is going to go. The Royals two years ago started the season something like 16-0, that "translates" to a record to the tune of 162-0. Did that happen? Starting the season 16-0 is remarkable, going 13-9 is not.
     
  18. MadMax

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    of course you can't. clearly. the point is, they had a good month. they took care of business, and there was reason for optimism....we saw what they were CAPABLE of.

    i'm not saying they showed they were world series contenders...i'm saying they confirmed they could compete. which is what we all expected...

    sometimes i get the impression you argue with me just for the sake of arguing.
     
  19. gunn

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    That's hardly the case. I'm just keeping your, sometimes radical, statements in check.
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Max has been viewing the team through rose colored glasses all year.

    He lauds Biggio and his good BA, yet fails to see how a outfielder with slow foot speed, and a noodle arm is not all that big of a threat at the leadoff spot.

    Put someone that gets on base and has speed and can create at the leadoff and you have something.

    The Astros are underacheiving because they keep waiting for their players to break out of the slump.

    DD
     

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