Our bullpen is overated

Welcome to the new mellinium. There is not that much good pitching in baseball today and unfortunately the Yankees have half of them.

I can't figure out why everybody blames this on Jimy. The starters have not earned the chance to pitch late into games. They've sucked. So why stick with a struggling starter with a high ERA when you have relievers that are tough as nails and have ERAs under 2?

It's completely up to the starting pitchers to give the bullpen some relief. Robertson has pitched much better this month so he's going deeper into games. When Wade pitches well he goes at least 7. I know it's a difficult concept but the better you do the longer you last. Concerning your comparison of reliever to NBA bench players, that is absurd. Relievers come in when the game is on the line. I never saw Rudy play Collier in crunch time.

Jimy vs Dierker. Jimy gets Roy and Wade. Dierker gets Kile, Hampton, Reynolds and Lima. Jimy pulls Robertson and Saarloos early. Dierker sticks with Bergman and Holt through the 7th.

I for one prefer Jimy's approach more but I digress. This isn't a Jimy vs Larry debate. Or is it?

 

great point, greg...i think you're exactly right. a good manager knows his team's strengths and uses them to win ballgames. i think that's exactly what jimy has done this year.

 

Roy has been injured twice, Wade started out poorly, Bagwell is still mired in the worst slump of his career, and most of our young starters that we were counting on have not come through for us. I don't think these things can be blamed on Jimy. The team has not been great...or even good for that matter, but I think (and many people have argued much more persuasively than you) that the reasons for that really don't include William's management style. I don't always agree with everything he does, but when is the last time anybody has agreed with everything their team's manager has done? Lots of people think Tony LaRussa and Joe Torre are geniuses, but both of them make questionable decisions all the time. Seems to me that Jimy has done quite well for us.

 

they're over .500

jimy's career record is well over .500, i believe.

 

And the way this season has started off, the fact that we're over .500 is simply amazing.

 

If the majority thinks he's 500 then he must be. The people have spoken.

 

A freak "collapse" by the best closer in baseball did the Yankees in against the D'Backs. Last year was clear though, Stanton and almost everyone else in the pen just completely collapsed. I agree with DaDakota on some points though, after the first 2 bullpen guys, bullpen should be next to filling out your bench when you are starting a team. Having two stoppers is very important. You'll never win a WS without the two stoppers.

Houston's "big 3" isn't overrated.

 

pgabriel,

That is exactly right!!! SHEESH!!



RM95

 

Our bullpen isnt overrated, just overused.
Lidge is really starting to burn out, Jimy should give him 5-6 days rest regardless of what happens.

 

Yeah, and look at the Red Sox. They must be the greatest team of all time.

 

So what's your argument today? Is our bullpen back to being overrated, or is having an awesome bullpen (like we have) overrated?

 

DaDakota,

You do realize the part of the Rangers that is really good, is the part the bullpen has to deal with, right?

It just wasn't our night, you think all of our bullpen guys would all continually fall behind on every hitter most nights?

Now, i'm not suggesting they were very good last night, but they were put in a ****ty position with rosario getting hurt.

Gerry needs to get us a starter asap, just as depth if anything else.

 

Where were you with this before they started blowing games? I bet you didn't really think they were overrated then. Even the best of players can have a rough stretch. As much as our bully has been used this season, it was only a matter of time before started getting tired. But of course, you didn't have anything to say yesterday when they held that narrow lead through 3 innings.

 

Did you even watch the game today?

I'm assuming by this post that you didn't. The bullpen did not blow this game today. 3 runs were scored because Biggio tripped on a flyball. 2 runs scored after a blown double play (true, it was Stone's fault).

 

So you are saying we should trade our good bullpen pitchers for starting pitching? Or you are just making a general assessment of a portion of the team that is playing poorly right now and gloating every time they do poorly and make you think they have proven you right? I'm not sure what it accomplishes to bring it up every time the pen has a rough game.