It really is, but I can understand why people wouldn't want to admit it. It's a laughably stupid issue really and we do real civil rights issues a disservice by continuing to talk about this Oscar nonsense.
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Well, legislatively and paramilitarily resisting it for a century and then residentially re-segregating to nullify its effects was the actual disservice, but this certainly gives those assholes more license to trivialize it.
Would be interested to see some evidence supporting this? British actors are EXTREMELY overrepresented in Hollywood, and its because they are better actors. Is it that hard to believe that per capita, minorities may not be as interested in going into theatre or may not have the means of going into theatre?
Acting is far less reliant on physical abilities than sports. It makes sense that those born with genetically certain superior physical attributes will have a leg up against the competition in sports. It has nothing to do with general interest in sports. It makes no sense whatsoever that white people have a better natural ability to act, except we can maybe speculate that schools may be recruiting kids of different race into different extra curricular activities based on race. No pure art form receives less interest based solely on race. There's no reason to believe that has ever been the case. Bro, even lighting and camera equipment is "racist". The color filters used to generate images and light are made for caucasian skin tones. I'm not saying this is intentional, I'm just saying racism is so intertwined and it doesn't have to be intentional or have conspirators. You make a great point. British actors are really good. That's because they've been given the opportunity longer. Iranian actors are incredible. Because Iranians have gotten the opportunity. Arab actors except for Egyptians, suck balls because there is no industry therefore no real acting jobs. Italian actors are fantastic. So on and so forth. You give people equal opportunities. I'm not certain about why it's not happening, but it's simply not happening at the opportunity level. On a per performance basis, I don't see black lead actors achieving less success than their counterparts for example. What I do see is that there are fewer opportunities.
P So, I haven't been following along on this. Is it now acceptable/factual to admit that blacks are more physically superior? I'm not sure thats where I was going with that, but I do thinks blacks are more driven to go into basketball and put forth the effort to become good than others per capita...just like I wouldn't be surprised if whites were more driven and likely to go into theatre and film. So yes, I was talking about opportunity, but also talking about interest level. Another example is women in engineering and math. They are very underrepresented. I don't think it's because colleges are turning away females who want to become engineers. They just simply aren't choosing to go into those fields. I think there are a lot of societal forces at work that cause that, but I don't think it's a case of actively denying opportunity. And again...I'm completely speculating here about blacks/minorities having less interest in going to into drama/theatre. I tried to find some statistics but have come up empty thus far. Some other supporting statistics could show what percentage of successfu Hollywood actors and directors got into drama and theatre at a young age. Who knows...maybe there is no correlation. In my mind it seems like financial situations of some minorities could limit opportunities to get into acting. Language barriers and thick accents could limit others. Parental pressure to go into more professional fields could limit others.
Who said blacks are physically superior? I'm saying they are physically different in some ways (all races have different physical strengths weaknesses in a generalized average), and those strengths happen to match up well with the rules of basketball. In short, the average black person is likelier to jump higher on average in a diversified population of black people, but I don't know if they are quicker, faster, or more flexible for example. It's no different than saying Arabs have big eyes. Doesn't mean Arabs have superior eyes, but if you were looking for big eyes Arabs is a good place to look, though not the only place. But basketball is a sport with rules. The basket has to be that high up, no matter who plays. In cinema, there are no rules, except for the ones you learn to break. You can write about anything and anyone, but still the scripts that are getting picked up are overwhelmingly for caucasian leading roles. On the women in engineering, I'd chalk that up to historical opportunities as well. For the same reason female footballers haven't caught up to male footballers - ******* men kept them away from these areas since the beginning of time. That doesn't mean we're keeping women out of football or engineering today. It's a whole lot of speculation on my part too, but I think one thing that's undeniable: the longer you're ALLOWED to do something, the better you get at it + if you're allowed to do something after someone else has been doing it forever, it's going to take time for the population average to acclimate.
I'm not sure British actors are better any ways. It's more because that the mecca of films and television is America. If you want to be a global star then this is where you will come. So it's more that those actors come here for the chance and we tend to get the best. Any ways, the sports example is bad only because it is objective. Like Lebron is better than Parsons. We know that as pure fact, we know that just like we know 1+1=2. You can't do that with actors, it is subjective. A team picks a player based on objective facts. How high a player can jump, can run, how well he can shoot, how tall he is. A director picks an actor based on what he feels is best for the role.
I don't see how what you are saying is relevant. The population of the US is over six times larger than England. Yet quite consistenty you have outcomes like this year where out of the 20 acting nominations, 10 are American and 5 are British. The over representation of British actors far exceeds any under representation of American minorities. I only see three possible explanations: British actors are better per capita British are more driven to pursue acting, so they are just simply overrepresented in the total pool of actors Hollywood has a personal bias for British people and discriminate against Americans I would be interested to hear if you had other explanations.
It's very relevant because again, Hollywood is the mecca of films and television. You are getting the best, so those that do come over are likely going to be pretty good at it. It's not like British actors are completely taking over film and television, just the award shows. As it's been said before, the Oscars don't really represent how represented Hollywood is. For example, all the nominees are white but we know there are plenty of black actors and directors out there. I mean you could make the argument that they are better trained, more for the stage and that usually makes a better actor all around. I mean you could make a strong case for it...but it's not like America doesn't have that either, just that we do have actors that are more trained just for the screen and I think there is some weakness in that....but when it comes to the Oscars and such I think it has more to do that they come here at all to make movies. That this is where you come for big roles and big money, so you tend to get the best and perhaps their best are better than our best when it comes down to it. but I don't think that speaks to minorities being underrepresented in this country.
Actually they are with regards to film. They are extremely overrepresented in blockbusters just much as they are in award movies. Heck, the last four black actors that got a lot of buzz were from Britain. The black guy in Star Wars is British. Just way too much evidence that suggests England produces better actors per capita than anywhere else in the world.
Oh, brother. Allahu Malcolm x. Another day, another non issue blacks find time to complain about. Blacks are over represented in Hollywood considering they are only 12% of the population and the working actors have a very limited or exaggerated range of emotional sensitivity. If black culture focused more in that, cultivating talent instead of the whole get rich quick or entitled culture, you'd see more guys like denzel and Samuel j who get by on their talent. And smarter citizens who understand it's a shallow industry, so not every Jenny is gonna have a steady career. But the best of the best have MORE than been recognized and given accolades in the past. This is no different than people complaining about how cops treated a man committing an illegal crime with 24 priors. Nuances. White people just do it better. Up your game, or stay whining in the NBDL. Even then, you still have affirmative action castings all over the place for the leas talented.
Having over representation is not equal to taking over though. Also again, it really isn't relevant to the discussion about minorities under representation in film. Especially with something so subjective as acting.
Boy you never make sense when you post. Ummm....Acting is a get rich quick occupation, especially in America lol. I'm not even going to touch the other jibber jabber you put out. (Black culture, anyone that uses that phrase usually has 0 idea of what they are talking about) Most of this post makes as much sense as your whole insinuation that Stacy Dash has had a more successful career than Jada Pinkett
It is relevant...it shows that a group can be overrepresented in Hollywood quite easily. Nobody is making a fuss because British actors are overrepresented in Hollywood (way more than blacks are underrepresented). It shows that a group of people CAN be more likely to be better actors. Not because of some natural ability, but because maybe their upbringing/culture/community and available training opportunities help make that a reality. It also shows how simplistic of an idea it is that representation in every profession must match the demographics of the population. It seems like we pick and choose when over/under representation is okay and when it's not.
Eh, it kind of is irrelevant since a lot of these British actors are white. Which is what this whole argument is about minority representation in America. Also there actually has been a fuss about British actors in major movies and it has more to do with what I mentioned before. That American actors sometimes don't really have theatrical training which usually makes them lesser actors. Also again, the best British actors come here. The best period usually make it here when it comes to film and television. Also it's not a simplistic idea at all. Representation matters. People love to bring up sports well why do you have so many black NFL and NBA players and not so many MLB players? That wasn't always the case...but as a black kid growing up you follow your heroes...who tend to look like you...and then who tend to play in the NFL or NBA nowadays. Any ways, the question isn't really "Should representation match the country?" it should be "Are opportunities being taken away from others." That should be the only question we ask when it comes to this. With it being so subjective it's going to be hard to find a point where everyone says "Okay, this is fair." In film, I think that answer is yes. That sometimes roles that shouldn't be cast by race are being cast by race. That Katniss example is the perfect example of that, it completely excluded out all non-white people. If you were white and from Britain did it exclude you out? How much this goes on? I don't think we'll ever know with any certainty. But when Viola Davis accepted her award last year at the Emmy's and said "You can't win awards for roles that are not there."
If only they had given Tyler Perry a pity Oscar we wouldn't be having to deal with this nonsense.....
