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Oscar Robertson calling out TMAC!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by doublehh03, Apr 25, 2007.

  1. BucMan55

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    Can you honestly say you have the same reaction when T-Mac rises up over his defender for a 18 foot J that you do when Rafer shoots a wide open 3??

    I sure don't.
     
  2. Pocket Rockets

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    he did fire up some crap in game 2...im hoping he changes that in game 3 or we might not make it out of there like we hope
     
  3. blathersby

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    Well, it's like JVG said. You have to give players their freedom. T-Mac is GOING to take bad shots, but his basketball IQ is so high that, more often than not, he'll get the ball where it needs to go (and sometimes that means he has to score 13 in 35).
     
  4. desertfire

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    It is clear that Oscar doesn't understand Tracy's game. McGrady is one of the best decision makers in the game. His approach to game 2 was gutsy. Had he crawled into a shell when his shot was falling, we would have lost. Instead people criticize him for some of the shots he took. What about that falling out of bounds on the baseline shot with just under a minute to play? He doesn't make that shot (or even take it) if he is worrying too much about his shot selection. He also went to the rim and got to the line. I respect Oscar, but T-Mac's game is fine. He doesn't need to listen to a bit of Oscar's criticism.
     
  5. doublehh03

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    i think u got them confused my man. kobe wants game results more than personal glory? didn't he want his own team while tmac wants help? :confused:
     
  6. doublehh03

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    that' was what different from many times his shot didn't fall this yr. during the season, he would not shoot much w/ the way he was shooting and give up the ball and we end up losing.

    in game 2, it was obvious he wasn't hitting and he still shot. and we won. sure not a good way to win, but tmac was gutsy i agree.

    but still take and make better shots please. looks good on TV :D
     
  7. MayoRocket

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    You must mean the shots Kobe puts up over 3 people while his teammates stand around wide open (see game 1)... :rolleyes:
     
  8. McGradySNKT

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    I assume he doesn't considers Tracy's passing off the pick and roll and off of double teams smart basketball.


    On the other hand he completely ignores Kobe launching of 35 footers with 3 players hands in his face.

    I agree Tmac does take some ill advised shots, and I think we all think he should utilize his mid range game more, but to completely dismiss Kobe's wild 45 shot games and hard fade away's with Marion and Bell and Amare on him seems suspicious and even agenda driven to me.


    I don't think Oscar is a douche, but there is a clear difference with these two players. Even LeBron has had his moments of stagnating the Cavs offense this year by dribbling for 15 seconds and launching up a 3 while his teammates stand around.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    So little respect for history. Oscar Robertson was one of the greatest scorers ever and it might help T-Mac to listen to him.
     
  10. 2rings

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    I have to agree, but it's a very hard balancing act. You want your most creative, dynamic player to feel a tremendous amount of freedom to create, and not feel limited, but at the same time he can't take a lot of difficult shots. I think if T-Mac were to limit his threes and try to go to the hole 10-20% more often we would be so much more efficient than we are now. I never mind T-Mac shooting, it's more about what type of shots he is taking.
     
  11. tinman

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    what do you expect Chang??

    They diss on Chuck
    and thought Kenny's game was luck

    The BIG O...
    They don't even Know
     
  12. Amel

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    it gets bad when tinman starts rhymin'
     
  13. roxfan123

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    Compare to his outstanding assist #s during the whole season, I have no problem watching him jack up a few poor-selected shots. It was those late-in-the game early-in-the-clock irresponsible three point attempts that really upsets me. Especially when we were up by 10 points and 3 mins left to go, Tmac got the ball and hed always try some threes when the clock was still at 20, 19 or so. I thought sometimes he wanted to seal the win so much so by himself but it just wasn't working. I am not saying he is selfish, trying to be a hero, but hes gotta stop taking those early shots when the game is still pretty tight. If you want to seal the game, take it to the hole...
     
  14. Rocketeer

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    IMO, T-mac can take any shot he wants because he can make them at any given time. Doesn't matter who's guarding him. The only thing is when he's NOT making them, he'll continue to shoot his way out when he should be trying to get to the line to find his rhythm.
     
  15. tinman

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    Big O isn't hatin on TMAC
    he just thinks too many 3s is WACK

    Today fans think its fine
    but in Big O's day
    there was No 3 point Line

    He's not trying to cause no trouble
    he wants Tmac to do the NBA finals shuffle
     
  16. johnrox

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    rox will have to play a perfect series to beat dallas and phoenix, and I hope they will somehow get out all of their bball jitters. this might cut it for utah, but this jacking up stuff from all places on the court is not going to cut it. I know what JVG is saying, and eventually, what can the coach do to his star player? tmac will eventually have to learn this himself, and I sure as heck hope it isn't going to be a lesson that is learned the hard way.

    Tmac has shown flashes of brilliance in driving to the hole. i wish that was more the norm than the exception.

    those of you who compare his 18 footers with rafer's open 3's, I agree, it is still a "better" shot in principle. but tmac can get better shots and should try and get better shots.

    robertson is pretty spot on, and i don't really care what he thinks of other players or his supposed lack of knowledge of the nba game today. he was one of the best players ever.
     
  17. solid

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    The criticism of Kenny and Charles on this board is mostly due to their endless negative rants against the Rockets as commentators on TNT. Barkley was a great player. Kenny was a role player. The Big O is a legend. TMac shoots too much when he isn't making them, and not enough when he is.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    please take the blinders off. I'm a Rockets fan living in LA. I see plenty from both players. T-Mac takes ill-advised shots and Kobe takes ill advised shots. Kobe takes way more than T-Mac, and T-mac is far better at getting his teammates involved.

    The difference between the two is huge. If T-Mac has an open player near the basket he won't elect to take a tough shot but pass to his open teammate. Kobe will often times force a tough shot rather than pass to a teammate.

    And it isn't just because T-mac has better teammates surrounding him. You can't tell me that Hayes is more offensively gifted than any of Kobe's teammates.
     
  19. johnrox

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    so maybe it's gonna take for his shot to absolutely go stone cold for him to realize that he can be a unstoppable force driving to the hole. game 2 was great just because of this, he got to the line consistently.
     
  20. awo86

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    look, oscar prolly doesn't watch the game much and just based that on stats and impression. he's prolly asked to say something in an interview and that's wht he came up with. nothing to take seriously!
     

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