Sigh - his stated goal was to bring economic ruin to our nation. Whether or not he calculated HOW that would happen is irrelevant, he clearly knew that we would get drawn into an expensive, non winnable war, and that it would effect our economy adversly. He was right. And now, we have less cash to deal with the economic crisis..... DD
I would call that rather specious reasoning. My stated goal is for the Rockets to win a championship. Now that the Rockets have taken a big step towards that by signing Ron Artest can I claim that success on my part?
That may be true, but war in Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with the overnight collapse of the subprime market and all of the top financial institutions being extremely over exposed to those positions. Iraq and Afghanistan also have nothing to do with home owners trying to live above their means in houses they shouldn't be able to afford and lenders not caring if the home owner will be able repay that loan. Osama may have hoped that our economy would collapse, but he had nothing to do with it. Are we spending a ton of money that we wouldn't have to if we weren't at war? Yes, but it is not the root of our economic problems.
Using DD's logic, the Texans achieved their stated goal of beating the Steelers in Week 1 because the Eagles beat them in Week 3. Way to go, Texans!!
If I lead you out to the woods to kill you . . . .and a record blizzard comes through and kills you I can't say I planned it that way . . but i do enjoy the results OBL just created the atmosphere where these things could happen It is like playing any game. . . you cannot control everything you just set the board in such a way that the other player could fall in various traps . . . I do't think OBL is Nostrodomus . .. but i think he was very strategic in what he was doing . . . it just worked probably better than he ever imagined Rocket River I you plan to win a chess game in 40 moves. . . and the other player makes a dumb mistake that you did not think anyone would be dumb enough to make . .. so you win in 15 moves You can't say you predicted it. . but you did acheive your goal of winning
Exactly, it may not be exactly according to plan, but it is certainly the direction he intended it to go... DD
In other words, it was total luck. I'm sorry, I just don't think obl is responsible for unscrupulous lenders or corporate greed.
He didn't have to be responsible for the lending fiasco. He didn't have to plan or know that it was coming. But he did know something would happen, and that if our resources were tied up in Iraq we wouldn't be able to address the issue as well. It didn't matter what caused an economic crisis just that if it happened and our money was going elsewhere then it would serve him well.
but he is responsible for us being in the middle east, spending however hundreds and hundreds of BILLIONS, wasting our valuable resources (both intellectually and materially) over there, and blinding both our politicians and the general public to problems brewing domestically. you think that if we hadn't wasted the past 6+ years funding, fighting, debating, and investigating the war in Iraq that we wouldn't be better prepared to combat domestic issues more efficiently and with more publicity?
What rocketsjudoka said. If OBL never existed, the WTC was never attacked and we never had a war on terror, a war in Afghanistan, or a war in Iraq, we'd still be ****ed by the economic crisis. We'd have less debt to saddle our grandchildren with, but we wouldn't be much better able to handle the crisis in the present than we are now.
OBL had nothing to do with Iraq. While his intentions may have been to trick us into war, I don't think he could have predicted that Bush & Co. would have manufactured a war in a country with no ties to Al Queda or 9/11. I think it would be a leap in logic to believe that OBL thought he could provoke Bush into invading a random country. So yeah, OBL may have gotten what he wanted but it was pure dumb luck. Maybe we'll get lucky and Iran will start a war with North Korea and they'll take each other out.
jesus christ. are you serious?! economic collapse? exaggerate much? Wasting billions isnt "collapsing the economy". That's a ridiculous claim. I swear, people get fed this crap on the news and eventually you just buy into it. one of the more r****ded threads i've seen in a while...and that's saying a lot.
Obviously you guys don't know about the Al Queda plot to create the unregulated credit default swap market. Osama himself came up with the idea of luring investment banks into destruction by creating tranches of cdo obligations. He was allegedly at Bear Stearns having them lever up 20 to 1 and saying they would get 72 virgins for all the companies they destroyed as well. I heard he also told Hank Greenberg to get into insuring the financial derivatives business. Wow...that Osama is a mad genius!!
That isn't what is being said. Read some of the posts above yours. It isn't that OBL created it or knew about it, it is that with our resources wasted in IRaq we aren't as able to deal with it once it did happen.
