Orlando Sentinel: Magic want Francis, Mobley and Cato

Man, that makes a whole lot sense to me. This is the trade the rockets should do instead of Mcgrady. I think these players will work well in van gundy's system.

 

three championships?

Rocket River

 

You are kidding, right? We would be the worst shooting team of all time

 

The funniest thing about this deal to me is
in two years
we could ACTUALLY and REALISTICALLY see this finals

Orlando V Houston
with all the particulars still where they were traded


Orlando after the deal
is a MAJOR PLAYER in the East
Francis - Mobley - Garrity - Okafor and Cato

Rockets will need a couple of parts but
will definately be IN THE CONVERSATION IN THE WESt

this is a WIN WIN
and
the only Trade of Francis i support..

I don't mind trading anyone. . but it has to be an UPGRADE
and
not just for the sake of a trade

Rocket River
BTW - how soon can this be done?

 

To be honest, I think a lineup of Steve, Cat, Okafor, and Cato will be a better lineup in the East than a lineup of Yao, TMac, and JJ in the West. But it doesnt matter, TMac hasnt said anything in stone yet, once he does, all the offers will come back down to earth.

 

In neither case would either team's roster be the November 1 roster. The key, as always, who else goes out and who else comes in.

 

I doubt the Rockets have the firepower to pull this deal off. The Rockets may have some nice pieces to offer, but I do not think that they are the pieces that Orlando is ultimately looking for. Things such as youth, talent, size, potential, draft picks are all things important to a team in a rebuilding mode and I just don't think the Rockets have all that. They've got size in Cato and talent in Francis but every offer that will be made contains talent. In my opinion, youth, potential and draft picks, combined with said talent, will be the deciding factors in this deal.



With that said, if the Suns and Magic made "the deal", and Orlando came up the the #7 pick as well as the #1, I would rather the Rockets make a serious move for the first overall pick.

Francis + TE (portion)
for
Hill + 1st pick

 

What I meant was, the deals that Orlando is asking for TMac are waaay inflated. If if you have a happy, healthy, signed up TMac, and you want to trade him, then yeah. All of those deals are good. But thats not the case. You have a player who is frustrated, injured, and last year of his contract. <b> AND </b> he is about to demand a trade to <b>his </b> list of teams. Needless to say, all those demands will come down just a little I think.

 

OK I just read the first 15 or so post in this thread and I couldent stand it anymore.

When I saw the players in the thread title I started laughing. When I clicked it I was expecting to see pages of people bashing the Magic for disrespecting us with this offer. and after 15 post of "Ill do it" I cant read anymore.

Your talking about trading the core of our team besides Ming, for a player who just lead his team to the worst record in the NBA as well as an injury problem.

Now if your thinking TMac was injured and thats why they had the worst record, the year Steve was injured Francis missed 10 more games then TMac did and as you remember the rockets went almost winless during that time. The rockets won 8 more games in our bad year then the Magic did last year and the Magic are IN THE EAST.


RANT (even more then above)

This is just typical American culture. No ones happy with what they got, and everone wants what they dont have. If you have a sports car, you want a SUV if you have a SUV you want a sports car, If you have Steve Francis you want TMac, if you have TMac you want Steve Francis.

Ive been listening to alot of sports radio during the finals (to hear laker fans whine) and alot of people are asking about Steve Francis, and all callers and host are saying the same thing "If the rockets are STUPID enough to trade him, they want a part of it"

RANT OVER

now I can get back to reading the rest of the thread

 

that wasn't from Chad Ford was it?

 

As already said, Orlando will need to add more to make the salaries match. Howard at 5.4M is cheap and he averaged 17 pts as the 2nd option, with 7 REBS on 45% shooting. This is clearly better than any of our 4s. Also he is 31 and his contract runs until he is 36.

So look at it this way SF + CATO + TE + filler for T-MAC & Hill

& Cat for Howard.

 

Of course I'm joking. I find this entire thread too funny for words. This thread reeks of desperation and the Rockets are not THAT bad off just yet. Fact is, they are in pretty good shape as things now stand with or without T-Mac but I realize that this is not a popular position so on with the fantasy trades...

 

Hmm, I see that you folks missed what just happened to the Lakers during this year's NBA Finals. It's just as well. Judging from his blog today, Mark Cuban missed it also so you are in good company.

 

detroit just beat the snot out of the lakers, indiana and new jersey gave detroit all they wanted. hey, miami is a team of the future. can we please realize that the west is no longer head and shoulders above the east? huh? can we?

 

how does one access MC's blog?

 

http://www.blogmaverick.com/

 

Mark Cuban's "Blog of Denial" can be found at http://www.blogmaverick.com. It's always good for a few laughs from the one man who still considers Shawn Bradley to be an "impact" player.

 

Mixed emotions on this one. Seems that, one way or the other, this team will have a different complexion to it.

You can't help but get excited about Steve/Cat/Cato for TMac and (probably) Howard, even if it leaves us some holes on the roster that cheapo Les would need to fill, using the MLE.

TMac and Yao would be one hell of a combo, IF you go out and get players with the MLE so that we have a point guard (Barry?). And maybe send Howard elsewhere for a small forward (ain't no one taking Mo off our hands, people).

We'd be on national TV a lot with TMac, but you know something? Wouldn't we be better as a team with a 3-way deal that gets us Artest, Croshere, Tinsley, et al?

 

I mean the WHOLE east, not just the top teams, after reading the rest of this thread I think it comes down to what kind of team you want to be. If you want to be like the lakers and have a few superstars and scubs then you make the trade, if you want to be like the pistons and win with alot of good players then you dont make this trade.

I hate the lakers soo much, I would never want to do anything that would make us slightly llok like them. I would rather have depth, then have a bunch of superstars jacking up shots, thats not good BBall to me.

 

I cannot believe the amount of dissent regarding this trade proposal. Its very simple as thecabbage and Sane put it:

When you can get a bonafide top 5 player who is entering the prime of his career by giving up an average allstar and role players, you do it.


I mean think about it. Look back in NBA history when absolute studs have been traded in the prime of their careers. Who makes out? Remember the Barkley trade from Philadelphia to Phoenix?

You rarely seem teams trade a top 5 player becuase you never ever get equal value in return (b/c of cap issues to say the least).

The Lakers have done it. They shipped Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith and Brian Winters to the Bucks in 1975 for an unhappy 28-year-old named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Moses Malone (and Terry Catledge, as well as two first-round picks) produced Cliff Robinson and a hobbled Jeff Ruland on the same fateful June 1986 day that the No. 1 overall pick (Brad Daugherty) yielded journeyman Roy Hinson

Each was in his prime — Chamberlain and Malone were 31, Barkley 29.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-05092004-296950.html (gotta cite the source for some of the trade data)


Honestly, can you think of a trade where the team recieving a proven young STUD was worse off?