Organizations encouraging inferiority complexes

I agree, when the white power structure is obselete it will be a nicer world. Or at least when blacks stop trying to be engineers.

 

Is this guy a racist? A Limbaugh clone? Perhaps just not very sophisticated in the ways of professional societies?

 

It sounds like you really just have no idea about the reality of any of the organizations you're criticizing. You just made up your own purpose for them and your own reasons for people joining them, and then built a bunch of criticism based on your made up assumptions.

Funny, given that this thread is basically you just whining and b****ing about those organizations.

 

How is an organization to help qualified engineers in their careers whining, and b****ing about the system? It seems like it's a positive action oriented way to help employ and utilize qualified engineers.

 

Until such time that we decide to get out of our second grade mentality and quit classifying people by the color of their skin, Dr King's vision will never be reached.

You may just as well have a society for engineers that like to wear turtlenecks.
Absolutely no reason to add a qualifier on there.
Either you are an engineer or you are not.

I have been told time and time again to not look at skin color when assessing someone's self worth.
This is why it is hard to understand the need for these organizations.

If you truly want equality, step one is going to have to be losing these organizations.

They do nothing but divide.

 

Reality suggests otherwise. When these organizations did not exist, there was no equality either. It was only when organizations formed to push minority equality that we started moving towards that.

So while you can argue that minorities should just drop these things and assume that everyone else will suddenly treat them better, reality says otherwise.

BTW, who exactly is this engineering organization dividing? Are white people upset that they can't join it (even though they can)?

 

Wrong, this thread is proof of that. Ronny himself believes a person who is a minority isn't as qualified if they belong to a minority engineering group. That kind of minority labeling, just shows that this stuff still happens. The understanding is so far beyond the reality that he doesn't understand the organization and thinks of it as some sort of affirmative action.

Until we get past misunderstandings about race such as this we have great need for these types of organizations.

 

Well once we get to the point where folks like you are not any more concerened about an African American engineers club than you are about the Notre Dame Alumni club in Houston or the Texas exes in NYC then we will have a color blind society and the last gasps of the Confederacy will be eliminated. Then you will understand about Martin Luther King instead of using his name in a non-seniccal cynical fashion, as tutored by Rush Limbaugh, to advance your conservative agenda.

 

Another thing that Ronny and some of the other posters are missing about these organizations is their mentorship programs meant to encourage people to get into those fields.

There have been a dearth of African Americans in engineering and science partly because the opportunity to get into those fields was limited by racism for decadeds. Consequently their aren't many role models and mentors for African Americans to get into those fields. Having an organization though promotes the role models and provides the mentors for those who want to get into the field. Now you obviously could have role models and mentors of different ethnicities but generally people find it more comfortable to be mentored by someone who came from a similar, cultural and ethnic, background. For instance a Latino who grew up in a barrio might have a harder time relating to a Chinese guy who is trying to mentor them.

None of this is affirmative action or guarentees that a member of one of these organizations gets a job but it being part of the organization just shows they are willing to maximize their opportunity by taking advantage of mentorship opportunities or giving back to the field by mentoring.

As far as being divisive. Let me give another example. I have given advice to younger posters on this board regarding going to college and getting into architecture. Now we have a community of Rockets fans and as part of that community I am mentoring Rockets fan. One could say that is being divisive as I am not going around mentoring Jazz fans (which I will admit that I am unrepentantly biased against), but that is the way a like minded community works be it of an ethnicity or team fandom.

 

No for some reason some people are insecure and feel threatened by groups that do things for certain groups of minorities.

 

Have you ever thought of just checking out one of their meetings? Or else you can just go to their website and read about them.
http://national.nsbe.org/AboutUs/tabid/53/Default.aspx

 

Ronny, there are a lot of posters who have given you reasoned, well-thought out responses and your subsequent posts in this thread strongly suggest that you're either not reading them, or simply dismissing them without any thought because they don't conform with your preconceived notions.

Seriously, the best thing you can do if you REALLY want answers is go back and read the posts in this thread, carefully considering the views put forth in each one.

That said, I suspect you're just trying to upset people.

 

I dont think its totally about ENTIRELY singling out blacks. Its about promoting the strong and singling out the weak, WHOEVER the weak is.

Its about "trimming the fat", a better world of leaner, "fit" people. The strong persist, the weak perish. To the victors goes the spoils, yadda yadda...

Once you consider YOURSELF the strong, you can then look at little ways to shame the weak into believing they're weak. Undermine them.

While I totally agree to not raise your kids with an inferiority complex and to challenge them, and yourself, and that no one is really owed anything, its the undermining part kicking a little sand in the trailer's face that I find a little unsettling. All so you can raise your arms in the air in some kind of evolutionary triumph.

 

The minority labeling was occurring long before the groups existed.

I'm not sure what you want in response to this. Do you want cases of racism? Do you want statistics about blacks being mis-labeled as special ed, and qualified blacks not being identified as gifted and talented when they are? Do you want the history of blacks not even being allowed to vote for the most part until less than 50 years ago? If you don't think other groups were making contacts, connections, and in-roads that blacks were kept out of during that time you are mistaken? Do you think 400 years of being kept out, is made up for in less than 50 years? Do you want poverty statistics about the group before you think that people taking a positive active role to correct that is a good thing and not any kind of affirmative action.

Again, you can be provided with all of that information. Also I'll suggest another time, why don't you investigate the group you are mis-labeling and understand what they are really about?

What do you need that instead of whining and b****ing about any of the real problems I've mentioned this group is taking positive steps to remedy them without asking for a hand out or special treatment. This group takes the initiative to tackle the problem.

 

He is what we think he is . . .

Rocket River

 

I'd say you should be more than suspicious. The man is clearly a goat poacher.

 

1. Relax.
2. Get a pen and paper.
3. Write down all you posts you made in this thread on that piece of paper.
4. Read your posts in this thread.
5. Comprehend.
6. There are all your answers.
7. Release the hatred and your life will be stress free.

 

1. You should not feel threatened.
2. Relax.