[Oregonian] Battier for Jarrett Jack & Travis Outlaw-or-Martell Webster was discussed

He's gonna get dealt. portland are looking for a good 3 to complement ROY, Oden and alridge. i could see Randolph and Outlaw to the bulls for a ninoci and fillers. if the blazers dont get an upgrade over outlaw, they'll probaly let him walk.

 

i meant keep him around for the right price. half the MLE. but they wont match a full MLE.

 

I saw that Haywood (WIZARDS) probably wants to be traded.....I think he would be great on the rockets.....he probably lacks the offense however that could really help the team.

 

In the past Portland said they will match any offer for Outlaw.

 

There is an ability to trade Outlaw if they match, but with some pretty significant limits.

A player cannot be traded within one year after the team mataches an offersheet he signed as a restricted free agent except with the player's consent (but in no case can he be traded to the team that tried to sign him).

(Also, if Outlaw decides to sign a 1 year tender offer and become an unrestricted FA next season, he cannot be trade except without his consent, and if he consents, he loses his Bird Rights. )

Citation below:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#85


I figure it's worth just throwing some money at Outlaw, unless you can think of some better realistic target who would take the MLE.

 

I MEANT he will get dealt if the right deal comes along and both parties agree. otherwise, he'll probaly try he's hand at the free agency market. i think he's looking for a opportunity to play more minutes and get more cash.

 

Isn't there already a guy who constantly rings up sr610 to go on about how Jarret Jack should be a Rocket?

 

I'd rather get Barnes from the Warriors. Playing one minute more per game than Outlaw, Barnes out-rebounded him 4.6-3.2, much better passer 2.1 to 0.8 APG, far better from Downtown at .366 to .270. Points, steals, FG% are a wash, with Outlaw being a slightly better FT shooter (.790 to .732), both very decent at the line. The only stat where Outlaw beats Barnes are blocks. He blocks twice the shots as Barnes (for those who fixate on stats). No surprise, since he's a couple of inches taller. Barnes, however, outweighs Outlaw (according to NBA.com) 226 to 215, and has a higher EFF at +13.73, compared to Outlaw's +9.31. Outlaw is 4 years younger, but came out of high school. Barnes went through an excellent program at UCLA and graduated... rare, these days.

I'd target Barnes with the MLE, or part of it (hopefully), and either keep Battier, or trade him for a starting 1 or 4. Can't we do better trading Battier than Jack and Outlaw? Both Outlaw and Barnes are athletic as hell. I'd love to get Outlaw and Jack, but are they worth Battier? A better question might be, is Jack a real upgrade, starter quality, over Alston, and is Outlaw any more of a 4 than Barnes, that could play major minutes there?

Just some ruminations.

 

I, unsurprisingly, agree. Getting Barnes would definitely take all of our MLE but I think he'll get more than the MLE from someone.

 

Really? More than the MLE?

 

What's the MLE set at? 4.5-5 mil a year? I honestly think he'll get more than that. If not, then whoever gets him (or if GS keeps him) is getting one heck of a deal. When Richardson was injured, Barnes showed that he CAN score as well as defend. I can only pray that we can get him for the MLE although I think his loyalty to the Warriors and being a UCLA-alum is going to mean he's staying put in Oakland.

 

Changes each year. This year it was around 5.6M. I think a full MLE contract at 5 to 6 years would work out to be around 6M+/year factoring in the increases.

 

Barnes got his big break from the Warriors, no doubt, and they got a heck of a deal, signing him for the minimum, but GS has a large payroll, larger than ours for 06-07. Barnes is unrestricted and does GS even have his Bird Rights? He's only been there 1 season. I bet the MLE could snag him.

 

Nope GS don't have Bird Rights to him. Having Barnes as a 6th man would be awesome.

 

As the team is now Barnes could possibly be the starting 4 on the Rockets.

 

Certainly do a better job of it than Battier. Like stedd, however, I'd love to see him as a 6th man. Smart, athletic, a super energy guy that can defend and shoot, swing between the 3 and 4. He'd be a great pickup for the Rocks.

 

Why oh why the (seeming) determination for the extermination of SB's Rox career?

If the Rox were to deal Shane to Portland, for example, for 'kids' is it not a reversal of the battier - Gay deal???

 

I don't think Barnes handles the Boozers of the world any better than Battier... he and S.Jackson baffled Dirk, but that' only because Dirk plays like a SF on offense.

 

Doing a stat comparison like this is rather useless, IMO. It's very difficult to compare role players on teams with contrasting styles. Barnes was uptempo so of course he's going to beat most similar players in areas of PPG, RPG and shooting percentages. How many wide open looks does he get a game? Furthermore, how many times a game does Barnes look to score inside? How many times does he post up? Half of his field goal attempts are from beyond the arc. He's already soft and an average (at best) defender so do you really want him defending the likes of Duncan, Dirk, Brand, etc?

It's not that I don't like Barnes, I just don't think he's a four. Granted, I don't necessarily think Outlaw is a four either but I love Outlaw's versatility and upside. He could be had cheaper and he's 5 years younger than Barnes. He looks ready to breakout and i'd love to see that happen with him in Houston.