[Oregonian] Battier for Jarrett Jack & Travis Outlaw-or-Martell Webster was discussed

The only way a Battier for Artest would happen is if the Kings don't get a better offer or if they are desperate to get rid of him. Battier for Lewis highly unlikely.
I'm not interested in Webster/Jack but Outlaw/Jack is more interesting. We are not likely to get a much better offer for Battier then this. There will be offers from other teams and things will probably start heating up near draft day or soon after it.

 

Outlaw would be a S&T but S&T players can't be packaged in a trade. I'm guessing if this did go down it could've been Outlaw for the MLE then traded for Battier. Then Jack might have been moved for Lucas + Novak.

If they had added the draft rights to Joel Freeland and their four second draft pick I say do it.

 

Good point about Outlaw/Battier. Getting Jack will require giving up the 26th pick at the least IMO.

 

Well they did allegedly turn down Jack & Outlaw/Martell because they didn't think they were getting enough back for Battier. In that case Portland would be the one giving up draft picks.

 

If Portland gets a better player instead of Battier from someone else they won't need to.

 

Seen him lots; the point is that they are both players of limited abilities who do a thing or two well and are non-factors everywhere else. I'd say that Shane is a better all-around player and, because he can shoot the three, he is valuable to us.

If Adelman can make use of Williamson, he can surely make great use of Battier.

If you are wanting to look for identicals, Chuck Hayes would be closer I think.

 

Williamson has an attacking, bruiser type mentality on offense... which allows him to put up points easily with space to work with. He's a refined scorer who creates his own shot the majority of the time, so it wasn't really a case of Adelman making "use" of him.

Shane, on the other hand, can consistently cut to the basket and shoot open jumpers; it is entirely up to Adelman to find other ways for Shane to get his shot off.

Under JVG this team wanted to surround Yao and TMac with veterans and shooters who don't really need to think for themselves. Under Adelman we're looking to bring in more athletes and slashers which in turn leads to more space for TMac and Yao to work with (and less defensive pressure). So it's not hard to see why Battier is being dangled to multiple teams despite his intangibles and shooting ability.

 

FYI, Portland has FOUR 2nd round picks in the upcoming draft which start at #37. So, if the Rockets wanted to make a Battier for Jack/Outlaw deal and felt they weren't getting enough, they could also try to squeeze Portland for one or two of those 2nd round picks. This would especially be a good idea if the Rockets made Chad Ford's rumored Artest deal because in that deal we would be giving up a 1st rounder. So getting the #37 pick would be a solid move because there still could be someone of quality at that spot.

 

Adelman made pretty decent use of Hedo Turkoglu (good shooter, can dribble better than Battier-- but not exactly good at creating his own shots) and Doug Christie (a mix between Battier and Rafer Alston). He can make use of Battier. So unless there is really an attractive deal (and Artest as a 1 year rental doesn't count, and neither does Mike Bibby with a huge contract), the Rockets are better off just keeping Battier.

 

Outlaw is a star n the making.in the last 2 games of the season he avge 18 free throw attempts a game. in the last 3 games of the season he putup 36 points, 26 points and 22 points. thats almost 30 points a game.he is very Atheletic and is a very good three point shooter. he is a player that is ready to bustout of he's shell. offensively he is probaly on par or better then shane. all he needs is a chance. we can some how convince the blazers to give us outlaw and Rodriguez and a 2nd round pick for battier, thats a great deal.

 

I love outlaw... Maybe we can obtain a 2nd pick on top of that and ill prolly jump on it...

But sign outlaw to a extension first

 

A Outlaw / Rodriguez/2nd pick for battier is a very good deal for us. however portland would'nt consider it.

 

Those were both MAJOR blowouts man (Blazers were being killed by 20-30 points). Makes those stats that much more meaningless.

 

Yeah, the Blazers are huge on Rodriguez. He is not being moved.

The deal is Battier for Outlaw/Jack. Supposedly the Rockets turned it down. If the Rockets revist then they should probably ask for the Blazers #37 pick as well. It would allow the Rockets to then move their 1st round pick for someone else, such as Ron Artest.

As for Outlaw, looking at his stats I was amazed at the FTA. How does he get to the line so much? Just attacking the basket on quickness? Is it putting the ball on the floor and beating his man? This is all at PF I assume, correct?

 

Fair point.however in the same month he had 22 points on 7-15 shooting /2-3 from beyond the arc in 27 minutes in a hard fought 108-102 win.
He also had another 22 points 9-18 shooting and 2-3 from beyond the arc on the jazz in another 95 to 89 hard fought win. when he is given minutes, this kid will produce. he is a tailor made player for our system. Atheletic, young and can shoot. throw in eith er Jack or Rodriguez and a 2nd round pick, it's a very good deal for us.

 

Because he is a relentless attacker. he is extremly atheletic and has good enough handels to draw alot of fouls. the good thing about him is not only can he get to the line so much, he can also hit he's shots from the land of the plenty to(3 point line).

 

OOHHHH...they are so great.....how can we miss them.......I hear this all year on this site about players.....then people cry when they turn into Swifts.....tired of maybes, Battier for proven players only please!

 

Outlaw certainly has potential, but Portland also seem not to think of him quite as a part of the essential young core.

So... if the Rockets throw an MLE offer at Travis Outlaw, restricted free agent, does Portland match?

 

I would spend the MLE but give up Battier? I don't know about those guys.