If you weren't being sarcastic then you think we should be tolerant of the shootings. This is what you wrote.
Exactly. There are also intense cultural complexities at work here. While people's actions shouldn't be excused, they can be understood. Don't forget that New Orleans was the central hub of the slave trade etc. And we know Mississippi's recent racist history. There are deep and dark reasons for a lot of this mayhem and violence. It is what it is.
How does shooting at a news helicopter or a fireman do that? How does tipping over a hospital boat in any way contribute to saving or protecting you or your family?
I'm just dumbfounded by what is going on in NOLA right now I'm trying my best to fight my feelings of empathy turning to anger and disgust Why do poor uneducated populations react this way ?
the little they had is gone....its harder for them to recover from this than the rich...who can afford insurance....
I honestly don't think its simply because they lost everything. In New York when there were blackouts in the 1970's, there was widespread looting. I know that very well because my father was working in the hospital at the time and was hiding in a cabinet from looters looking for drugs. In LA, after the Rodney King verdict, there was looting and rioting and nobody had lost anything. I just think there are people that are scum and will use any opportunity available to resort to crime and theft. Not that i'm a Bill O'Reilly fan, but I could imagine some thugs decided to stick around because they knew people were evacuating and that they could steal a lot. I'm sure they didn't think or believe it would be this bad.
You must have missed it. Pgabriel has long been one of the best voices of reasons on the D&D boards. We don't always agree but he almost has well thought out ideas to contribute. ima, often doesn't contribute except little quips. But I have seen ima contribute some thoughtful posts once in a while as well. But pgabriel is one of the best this board has.
and at the end of the day this poverty, illiteracy, lack of social value/culture is the fault of the society at large for failing to do its job and educate its people. that is the point.
I have to agree. Early on, when people were complaining about people looting TVs and blue jeans or whatever, I didn't really care. They'll get some stuff and then order will be restored, insurances will be paid and everything will be right with the world. I had assumed, I suppose, that the Army Corps of Engineers would be able to plug the holes before the city was completely filled. And, I assumed the National Guard would be able to restore order once they arrived. I guess I was ahead of myself. The recovery effort has not been as successful as I had hoped and expected. Now, the earlier somewhat more innocent looting has turned much more ugly. It's been a broken windows effect, where lawlessness has bred more lawlessness. The worst effect of the looting on Tuesday is the shooting on Wednesday. Partly because people got ahold of guns but mostly because being able to loot with impunity gave people the idea they could commit any other crime with impunity as well. Sadly, they might have been right.
Singer and New Orleans native Harry Connick Jr. speaks with MSNBC's Amy Robach about the destruction in the city and defends the actions of its citizens. http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=bcd1d623-95e0-477d-a484-e5df7989e55c&f=copy
I am convinced with the hurricane and all the voo doo down there, there might be a possibility of zombie attacks. The liberal media does not want you to know this. Someone send Constantine or Ash down there. Here is some history of zombie attacks in American history, one came after a major hurricane. http://www.fvza.org/topthree.html
I don't understand why people are shooting at the rescue workers. I know people are frustrated, but WTF would they accomplish except to drive rescue workers out of the area? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/ NEW ORLEANS - Thousands of desperate residents begged for help as conditions deteriorated here Thursday, and rising tension led to fights, fires and fears for the safety of emergency responders. “We are out here like pure animals. We don’t have help,” the Rev. Isaac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, complaining that he and hundreds of others were evacuated, taken to the convention hall by bus, dropped off and given nothing. People outside the center, some holding crying babies or elderly barely able to stand up, shouted for help as TV news crews passed by. Other parts of the city saw similar desperation. “We need help,” Polly Boudreaux, clerk of the St. Bernard Parish Council, told WAFB-TV in a phone interview in which she broke down crying. “We're just been absolutely devastated,” she said, and many residents still need to be rescued. Little outside aid has reached the parish, she added. “We are not seeing it.” While most stranded residents were orderly, police warned reporters to be careful given the desperation. “We were told don't drink or eat in public as it could lead to a mob situation,” NBC's Michelle Hofland said. “We were told that by sundown to get out of here.” Federal rescue workers were pulled back from some areas of the city where gunfire was heard or reported, a Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News. “Hospitals are trying to evacuate,” said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan, spokesman at the city emergency operations center. “At every one of them, there are reports that as the helicopters come in people are shooting at them. There are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, “You better come get my family.” Police Capt. Ernie Demmo said a National Guard military policeman was shot in the leg as the two scuffled for the MP’s rifle. The man was arrested. “These are good people. These are just scared people,” Demmo said. Superdome airlift suspended The situation at the Superdome, where thousands of people were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, also deteriorated. Paramedics became increasingly alarmed by the sight of people with guns. Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door — a seething sea of tense, unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where heavily armed National Guardsmen stood. “There’s so many people there. It’s a desperate situation with no air conditioning and no water,” Louisiana National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider said. Fights broke out. A fire erupted in a trash chute inside the dome, but a National Guard commander said it did not affect the evacuation. However, the airborne evacuation was disrupted after at least one shot was reported fired at a military helicopter. An air ambulance service official said helicopter transfers of the sick and injured were suspended as a result. Able-bodied evacuees were still being moved by bus to Houston's Astrodome, the National Guard said, correcting a Guard official who said that operation was on hold as well. Texas on Thursday announced that it would house 25,000 more evacuees in San Antonio. ‘We need a thousand’ National Guard The Superdome helicopter operation was suspended “until they gain control of the Superdome,” said Richard Zuschlag, head of Acadian Ambulance, which was handling the evacuation of sick and injured people. He said the National Guard told him that it was sending 100 military police officers to gain control. “That’s not enough,” Zuschlag. “We need a thousand.” Medics were calling him and crying for help because they were so scared of people with guns at the Superdome, he added. Zuschlag said shots were fired at a military helicopter over the Superdome before daybreak, but a National Guard officer said he had a report of just one shot being fired at the helicopter. Zuschlag added that when another evacuation helicopter tried to land at a hospital in the outlying town of Kenner overnight, the pilot reported that 100 people were on the landing pad, and some of them had guns. “He was frightened and would not land,” Zuschlag said. (This is the first of three pages. There's two more pages to this article. Click on link above to read the entire article.)
It's society's fault???? Wow. How about personal accountability? In my opinion the culture that exists that doesn't value education is the real problem.
Do you know how awful it is to make jokes like this? PURE IGNORANCE. Sorry, but this is the most ignorant thing I've seen posted in a long time. Please USE YOUR BRAIN before you post stupid s***.
Yeah and not the selective personal accountability that politicos and partisan nitwits like to play. A culture that only pays lip service to personal/institutional accountability, merit, education and social equality are to blame.
What's so bad about RR's post, you were bragging about how great the people of Germany were. Other than the fact it happened long ago before most Germans lives, he made a good point. He responded directly to your post. And I would expound on RR's post, Nazi Germany is a great example of what happens when people feel abandoned by their government and he rest of the world. Race riots of the early tweenieth century are examples of when people feel frustrated about their conditions. Labor riots of the early tweenieth century are examples of what happens when frustration boils over. And lastly be careful what you are bragging about. Germany is a more of a socialist system that prevents the type of poverty in N.O. and I don't think a conservative such as yourself would approve of some of Geramany's social programs.
