To be perfectly candid, I tried to make my remarks offensive....but you were not the intended target. Anyone who espoused the same opinions that vwiggins was. My apologies to you then.
Whoa. Don't lump what I said together with your post. I said this: You said this: Pole, you are a freaking moron.
Oh my god. My comment is a criticism at the government's slow response. I believe you when you said you made your comment to be sarcastic. Because frankly, I can't believe anyone on Clutch would have that kind of prejudiced opinion. However, I don't see how you think your sarcastic comment is a proper response to my comment. I am not saying in anyway that the slow response is a GOOD thing. I'm saying it is a terrible thing. I've been criticizing the government's slow response all over the D&D. The majority of Americans believe that the federal response is inadequate. The slow response may be a result of Iraq. It may also be a result of the fact that people left behind--the poor, black people--have little political power to get the attention they deserve from this administration. IIRC, when Terry Schiavo was getting her tubes removed, Congress came back to Washington within 24 hours to try to pass legislation to save her. That's a lot quicker than the Congressional response for the hurricane victims. Several people on the D&D have posted articles suggesting that important funding for the levees were cut by Congress. Now, if the folks in NO were buying $10,000 plate dinners at political fundraisers, do you think their levee funding would dry up like that?
has ONE person been arrested in the entire five days since the catastrophe? the first reponse to the looting was "we've got lives to save" which translates to a carte Blanche pass to loot the night away. now alot of finger pointing "we are going to let the local and state authorities handle this..." translates to "not my problem, let new orleans handle the scum"
If that is true then we are really screwed. Because local and state authorities are completely overwhelmed and begging for aid! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/
If families are looting food, and baby supplies, then in this case I don't think there is something that wrong with it. These people went to the place where the govt. told them to go. They followed all the rules the govt. told them to follow. They did everything they were told to do, and they get no food and water for a couple of days. They don't have any sanitation, garbage pick up, or anything like that. There is a reality here, and that reality is they need to eat, feed their children, elderly etc. Anyone looting TV's or other items that are non-essential have no justification. People shooting at rescue workers have no justification. There frustration is understandable. These are the authorities who told them to follow certain directions for lodging, shelter, food, and services. They followed those directions and they aren't getting anything so they are frustrated. They might strike out at the authorities. It isn't helpful, and it is a crime that should be punished. But before we say they should be executed or gunned down we should put it in perspective. Looking at the French Revolution some of the actions of the revolutionaries were wrong. But that doesn't mean they didn't have a right to be angry and demand change or even to take action into their own hands. The people at the convention center were let down. They followed rules and regulations and got nothing. There is plenty of blame to go around.
I just spoke with a buddy of mine who has a close friend in NO -- he's a doctor and has been basically working non-stop saving lives since all this mayhem started. Last night he was in his home gathering some supplies/ personal belongings when a gang of armed thugs came in and took everything they could carry out. The only saving grace is that they didn't murder him.
IIRCC, didn't they have a mandatory evacuation prior to the hurricane even hitting. I will agree that there is a lack of control and leadership to help those who didn't or couldn't heed the warnings and stuck around. In defense of those in charge it takes a lot of preparation to move and orgainze 50,000+ people. The national guard really needs to take whatever means neccesary to control the situation, be it rubber bullets, tear gas, or whatever. I feel for these people and pray that they make it through the situation.
1. Why does it grate your *sses so much these people are taking these things? I mean really. . .it seems more folx are upset by the looting than are saddened by the lost of life Better they die on a bridge that take a TV I guess DIE WITH DIGNITY N.O. SCUM . . .AMERICA DEMANDS IT!!! I don't condone looting. . but honestly I attribute it to several things 1. people with too much free time and very little in the way of structure of better or worse the societal structure of N O has broken down and it is an anything goes mentality. This is Anarchy - This is what happens in a ruleless society. 2. Frustration and maybe a bit of fear 3. Folx being good little capitalist. [Capitalism - get the most for the least work] Capitalizing on the situation. If I was there watching some dumbass looting a TV twice his size that he will probably never use because 1. no electricity 2. it will be too big to move when they moved out anyway . . . I'd just laugh ig'nant f*ck! It is THINGS why does it bother you so . . it is eating at you soul As for the Great Germans the point is. . for their STRONG MORAL code born of their superior culture it *is* the same culture that produced the Nazi's - It is a culture that had external contries come in and basically TELL THEM how to be for several decades. The German of today is the result of External people caring enough to lead them where they are. . . .not to take too much from the people themselves . . but the USSR and USA influence on them cannot be dismissed ACTIVE Influence Which was more important from 1940s to 1980s? Guarding and protecting the Wall in Berlin - Americanizing the are or Funding Education and social programs in New Orleans, La.? hhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm "Mr Governor of Louisiana. . . Tear down this wall of ignorance and poverty" I think I remember that somewhere. Don't kid yourself. . just because u a part of the U S A don't mean the government gives a d*mn about you As for the shooters. . . . . They are what they are . . .criminals. and basically. . . .what the hell do you expect from criminals??? Rocket RIver
Sorry to hear that. that really sucks. I suppose it's easy for us who aren't personally affected by these events to point fingers at society or whatever and excuse this sort of thuggery. I hope your friend comes out of all this intact and well.
I didn't know him (the doctor) personally - I was just relaying the story through a friend. This whole situation is just causing me a lot of stress and frustration.
Even Fox, Notorious for championing the poor and underprivaleged seems to have no qualms with stealing food and water out of desperation. The prophet O'rielly even made a point about it on his show. The one good thing thats coming out of this is that everyone here and the rest of the world can see how rampant poverty is in this country.
As is poverty as is caring more for Iraqis than Americans as is racism as is alot of things yea. . THEY WRONG . . PERIOD just because I understand it . .or try to . . .doesn't mean I endorse it Rocket River
I would hope that if I saw a baby dying of dehydration, or an elderly grandmother, or anyone, that I would help that family loot water, food, and any other supplies they need to save their lives. The police are even looting food supplies for themselves. I don't think the police deserve to loot that stuff and starving, dying citizens don't. I think anyone who would rather arrest or shoot families who have loved ones than to help them loot what they need(since nobody else is getting them the supplies) then it is my belief they are far removed from the moral highground.
