Open Borders - do you support them?

Wars for natural resources are going to heat up in a major way over the next few decades.

 

What I'm saying is the global economy allows for the free flow of goods

In the sixties the motto should have been

Make money not war
Instead of
Make love not war

 

Make money not war is why the US has fought wars. Capitalism's win is humanity's loss. Unimpeded capitalism is a scourge.

 

What capitalist society have we fought a war with?

WWII was because of a ruthless fascist
ME excursions are because of people who refuse to move forward

If oil free flowed out that region there wouldn't be war

And now that we've gained energy indepence there will be less conflict as far as our involvement

If they got their crap together there wouldn't be conflict there

 

Our involvement in the ME was over resources but that's not why those conflicts exists

They exist over stupid tribalism

 

The Iraq wars had nothing to do with anyone moving forward. Your post conflicts with itself.

 

We didn't have to be in Iraq to begin with

So let's back off the inference that that war necessary

 

There are a lot of places in the world where tribalism leads to conflict. That's not unique to the Middle East.

Corporations wag the dog. It's been decades in the making but you seem to feel it's for the better.

 

Whatever reason we were in Iraq wasn't good

I was just responding

I think we live in society where we continue to progress

Capitalism and democracy is part of that progression

There are definitely places that need to be drug along

 

I don't equate material gain with societal progress. Why do you?

 

It's not about gain it's about freedom organization and progress

I think democracy and capitalism have proven to reduce major tribal conflict

 

Most lopsided poll in D&D history?

 

You see capitalism where you want to see it and don't see it when it's inconvenient.

 

Yea.... no one really supports open borders in any significant way.... One of those political issues that was made up.

 

This. Can't really think of a war since WW2 that was necessary. But hindsight is always 20/20..... the Korean War being the one I'm undecided about. However, the rest of the televised wars were completely unnecessary.

 

I think capitalism is based in economics and economics is based in human psychology

It's more natural than just a system to distribute goods

 

Enforcement of our immigration laws makes us a nation state - it makes us unique. Even Bernie F-ing Sanders can see that.

 

Good! Maybe that one guy who voted Yes in the poll will see the light now.

 

As a goal to be worked toward in an orderly fashion in a relatively short time frame we should have open borders. Like other goals such as the elimination of slavery which might have seemed utopian at one time it should be aiming for it.

Without closed borders it is hard to continue many great evils. Horrible dictators will find they have no subjects. People will find it easier to avoid mass starvation by voting with their feet. A few billionaires and the corporations they control will find it more difficult to play the various countries of the world and their people against each other to lower wages, make profits from war etc. etc..