Looks like the trade EMbargo may be rearing its ugly head again soon . Are we playing 3 strikes your out?? CK
Well, if nobody wants to help you then is it asking too much to wait until Pued gets there?? You know he is in every night and you usually have been coming in every night. Plus Zac doesn't start simming until past 8 central time at night. That gives you plenty of time to do a deal and still get it in before the next sim. I can't say for sure because I'm not Zac, but I would say that he would help advise you if Pued is not around and I would help as well. Let me tell you an interesting story: Back in October of this past year, I joined the OOTP sim league. I was the Padres because they were the only talented team available at the time. I was brash and cocky plus I knew I was one of the oldest people in the sim. I felt that I didn't need anyone to help me or advise me on deals. As a result, I did like you and traded good young talent for mediocre, fading players. As a result, my team (even after moving them to Portland) was lucky to break .500. haven (who used to run the league before Zac) tried to tell me not to trade young talent, but like you I ignored him. After I think 6 seasons, I finally was given the chance to start over with another team in Oakland. I also took it at that time to swallow my pride and get someone to be my advisor. Funny thing happened - my teams became more consistent and challenged for the division title instead of trying to break .500. Unfortunately for me, Hawaii and Texas were dominant in that division but I had finally figured out how this blasted thing works (for the most part). Now, I have been in the sim for every season that they have had it except for like the first 3 or 4 (basically like 11 seasons out of 14 or 15), and guess what devestata....I still have an advisor . It's true that I don't think it would kill me if no one wanted to "advise" me, but I like having one because I consider it a form of "insurance". Heath, who has always been successful with the Indians (at least since I have been in the sim), has always used an advisor or at least he always used to. The point is that there's no shame in admitting that you need help and that is where the advisor helps you. Puedlfor is an excellent choice because he has done it for others and he knows the players in the sim very well. I don't know how Zac would feel about being an advisor but he would be a good one if he wanted to do it. I think even myself could help you if Pued is not around or you wanted a second opinion. But, whatever you do PLEASE don't make any moves without consulting Pued or at least me because if you had waited, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of typing out this long-ass post.
Sounds like you have come a long way, Manny! I just hope I can redeem myself down the line, and yes, I will probably have an advisor still. I have no shame in having an advisor, because quite frankly I need one until I'm OK by myself. Mduke, who just joined today, also has an advisor. I look at it like this: Even if I didn't need help in making trades, I'd still do it, because I like to know what other people think, if it will help me or not. I agree, Pued is cool, and I will stop trading until he comes in from now on. As for the post, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were short on time, you didn't have to write that all out just for me.
I have been in the sims since the first season of Cat's original league... I still ask for opinions from people I trust (DV,SF3,etc.) Do Deve, I tried to help you out a while back and give you advice. So I will give you a little more here. The reason I said I would not help you the other day was because of this. Back before the first embargo against you ,you were in the midst of negotiations with someone(I don't remember which deal it was). You said "help is this a good deal for me to do". I said, "I would not do it." 3 minutes later you turn right around and did the deal. My advice is this. If your advisor says don't do the deal... Don't do the deal!!!! . Also don't just take random advice from the chat unless you really trust who is giving it. Without naming any names I'll say this. There are some people that have thier own agendas and will try to lead you astray.... And I will leave it at that. CK
In Pued we trust I used to do deals only when Pued agreed to that it was an ok deal to do, and even then I still went against doing a deal sometimes. The first few seasons Pued or Zac basically did all my draftpicks, or atleast giving me a couple of choices they felt was good. Same time I tried 'picking' myself and other things, and when those actions was more close to what I was being adviced to I finally started picking myself. I have also started to do trades OMO, but when in doubt about anything in the sim - it is always good to ask.
The deal is not as bad as stated by others in this thread - and I did not check it out properly first - so I take back what I said. NYK - you need glasses? This trade is not a joke in every facet of the trade. It might favor Cat - but it is not a crazy trade. But the other post still stand - deve should slow down his trading frenzy, and take on an advisor.
You guys are more paranoid than deve. Every time you see him make a trade, you automatically assume it to be a ripoff. I was very, VERY close to not doing this trade, and I think it is EXTREMELY even. There are three aspects to this trade. First, Bautista and Terrero. Bautista is a G-G-A-B starting pitcher with B duration. That is a STUD. He is clearly the best player in the deal. Terrero is good-- a G-G-A outfielder with B range-- but those are far more commonplace than stud pitchers. Second, there's Broussard and Overbay. Broussard is better in homers, but Overbay better in walks. They are the same age and contract. Obviously, homers are more valuable than walks, but the difference between the two is no greater than the gap between Bautista and Terrero. Finally, there's Jimerson for Bonderman. This was simply a throw-in at the last moment because deve had no outfielders with a good in hits, and had gotten another stud young pitcher in Bautista, making Bonderman expensive. G-F-A center fielder's are equivalent in value to a G-A-G-A pitcher. I must say, it's very interesting that the only two people to try and describe this trade (where I get major league ready talent) as unfair are two of my primary competitors in the AL.
I agree after looking closer that this deal isn't a total rip-off. I believe that Cat always tries to come up with fair deals with whoever he trades with (that's one reason why we have dealt many players among the 2 of us). I personally would not trade Bonderman and Terrero if I was re-building like devestata, but it is not like he isn't getting anything decent in return. Unfortunately, I think devestata's reputation has "preceded him". Any deal that he makes that involves a somewhat decent player is going to be questioned by others unless it has been blessed by a Pued or a Castor. However, I have seen worse dev deals that have gone down compared to this one.
Thank you, manny. Remember, though, that the deal makes sense for him too... it's not like trading Terrero and Bonderman upsets his rebuilding plan. Bautista is the best, and youngest, player in the deal, and Jimerson is a good 23 year old CF. I don't agree with ripping off newbies, and I certainly am not someone "with their own agenda", like someone else said in this thread. I think this deal helps me, because I had a surplus of pitching and could use the hitting of someone like Terrero. However, I also think this deal is extremely fair for devestata, who still stays young, gets good talent, and gets one of the top young pitchers in the game. There's yet to be one legit complaint on how this deal isn't fair.
That deal was fairly even. I doubt if it were someone else trading that it would be very highly questioned. However, devestata, you do need to slow down a bit. Making these blockbuster trades all the time is not going to make you good. That may work in 1 year fantasy leagues, but not in these sim leagues. After you make 1 trade like that, let your team play for a while and see how it does before making any drastic moves. Just because the results may not be automatic doesn't mean you have to make more trades. I'd say that I probably turn down 90% of trade talks between other owners and me. I only make a deal when it really feels right. I have a little story also...in the old sim, probably a couple of days after I started with the Giants, Zac (who was the Dodgers) was shopping around Kevin Brown. I thought, 'ooh, Kevin Brown's a stud...he'd make my team awesome'. I really didn't pay that much attention to salary, age, or ratings. I just looked at the name. So, I trade him a couple of guys off my ML squad (don't remember who, but I'm sure they weren't bad), and a some prospects including Kurt Ainsworth and Todd Linden, who were both top prospects. Well by the next season, both of those guys had improvements and were in the majors. Ainsworth went on to be a stud pitcher in the league, and Linden was a good power hitting OF. Kevin Brown <i>retired</i> that offseason. I basically screwed up my future with that one trade. The only good thing that I got out of the deal was Pat Gutierrez, who had some improvements and became a nice 2B before I traded him too. I never made the playoffs in the old sim, at least until the final year in which I won the division finally, but it crashed. That was something like 10 or 11 sim years that I never made the playoffs. It wasn't all due to that trade, but that hurt a lot. If I would've asked someone, they would've let me know I was screwing over my future, and I wouldn't have done it. You can never go wrong with an advisor.
That's the last trade I will be making in a while now, I will mainly be trying to find backup help, because I have guys in the minors that will be taking over soon. I think I have a fair young core in the minors, and they'll be up in 2 to 3 years. Thanks for all the help guys.
