On no...poor LeBron

This quote is probably from one of the members of his "posse" that is waiting for the gravy train to pull up to Lebronville so he can hitch a ride...

 

Though I can't agree with anything else, I have to highlight this sentence. Lebron hasn't said anything about it. Someone who wasn't even named makes some sweeping generalization about what Lebron will do months from now.

Besides that, it's the hype that's annoying. You wouldn't even notice Lebron's ego if it wasn't for the hype. In his case, the hype is so intense that the ego is magnified.

 

They said that about Francis too. Now I can't even remember what we gave up for him.

 

I amazed @ some your attidudes towards this Kid. Fatman hating the kid for a second hand quote that may not even be true "Lebron has serious attitude problems, I hope after one season he averages something like 2.3 points a game for some horrible team". Didn't Stevie do exactly the same thing if true? Didn't Yao have a list of cities he wanted to play for? If the kid is arrogant their is a reason and no one to blame but people like you and me. Hoop fans, the ones buying the magazine with his picture on it, the ones in ohio watching him on payper view and nationally everyone watching him when his game is on the deuce.
Cut the kid some slack, he desrves it because it's our love for the game that has created this monster, that no one has even seen a sign of yet.

 

Apparently you didn't read the first two reasons on why I don't like him in the first place, which is that he's not going to play on our team. And if there was a player on our team who was a jackass, and he did good, I'd be happy for the team, not him. I care only about the Rockets, not the players in it. Unless, I happen to like them off the court.

And none of these applies to Lebron. So you have your opinion of the punk, and I have mine.

 

Really incompetent response, pal. Try addressing my post instead of whipping up strawmen left and right, and putting on airs.

Ah, a guy feel sympathy for an NBA coach who took the time to go out of his way to talk to him, and he's a "me first cancer?" Another sterling quick judgmental thinking of a guy who is still in high school, who may mature into something else, a politician like Jordan. Scoring 70 points has happened before, and by champions. Try again, chico.

As opposed to what? Yours?

Wrong. History is rife of evidence that says otherwise.

Read my post carefully - if a guy could score 70, i could not care less if he was Mother Theresa or Osama Bin Laden off the court. Nowhere did i say Lebron will score 70. And on the other hand, how do you know he's not going to score 70? Do you have a crystal ball somewhere that tells you the future?

Keep reacting with your slave mentality, thickwit. By thinking of the safety of the herd you'll never be in danger.

~Great Infidel~

 

No, i wanted you to answer these questions and see if you held moral standards above pragmatic results such as winning basketball games. So whether he played for the team or not was irrelevant- if you are rooting for the rockets and some ego trip made a good play would you check yourself and say "what a punk. He kicked his dog this morning. Therefore, he does not deserve praise for that game winning/saving action." And lebron might play for the rockets in the future, so you never know.

That's what i wanted to find out where your values lay - with the team's success or some Platonic, idealistic moral standard. You can't have both.

Don't recall saying my opinion of the "punk."

I just felt tired and exasperated at the cheapshots that were taken at LeBron here, and felt like rattling the birdcage to see where people really stood.

~Radical Subjectivity~

 

Assuming the source is legit, the statement is the source's own guess or speculation, not Lebron. First he INFERS that lebron will never play for the Cavaliers. Then he says that Lebron liked coach Lucas and was mad.

Knee-jerk thinking is not a virtue.

~Radical subjectivity~

 

Like what?

 

I assume Francis and Bryant are on that list too.

 

No, they didn't say that about Francis. Many predicted Francis would be a very good player. They were all right. But experts all around the league are saying that Lebron James is going to be the next Jordan. They say that there is only a handful of players around the league that they wouldn't trade for him. Francis wasn't even picked #1 in his draft. I don't really see a comparison.

By the way, I think we traded Michael Dickerson, Othella Harrington, draft picks and maybe someone else for Francis.

 

Yes, you can. You can root for the team's success, and condemn any wrong-doings of players off the court, regardless of what team they play for. We as fans don't get to choose the players that play on our team. Sometimes you end up rooting for a "cancer." But just because you are happy with your team's success doesn't mean your values do not lie with any moral standard.

 

I am in total agreement, which is why you do not understand my point. I am saying why confuse the standards we use to evaluate the players' behavior off the court and their production on court?

The team's success is derived from a pragmatic standard - does X perform? The behavior of a moral agent OFF COURT is dictated by a moral standard. These two standards are not to be mistaken for one another. You will have to explain yourself how the two are reconcilable.

~Radical subjectivity~

 

Of course there are different standards on and off the court. Whoever said otherwise?

 

Raven Lunatic, just about everyone else in this thread.

I'm taking them all to task for confusing the standard for proper behavior as a gauge for basketball acumen.

Capise?

~Heretic~

 

I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing some people who don't like Lebron James because of an attitude problem they perceive on his part. How is that judging by the wrong standard?

 

Either i am not explaining myself well or you're just being disingenous. Explain judgmental samples like these:

... without using a moral standard. You can't.

My first post remains unanswered: let's not pretend that people should possess a charismatic personality, let alone a non-offensive one, in order to legitimize their basketball skills. Why confuse the two?

LeBron could be a humble guy and loveable all round, and still be a bust - or he could be a arrogant stuck up and become the greatest thing since sliced bread. Therefore a moral standard is irrelevant to what kind of a player he can potentially become.

So, why even bother evaluate him according to what is "proper" if that is irrelevant in the big picture?

Goes to show how rampant the inferiority complex is here.

~Apostate of Etiquette~

 

I don't think anyone said anything about legitimizing basketball skills. People seem to dislike him as a person because they perceive him as arrogant. Whether that is a correct assessment has nothing to do with it. Players can be judged as people, solely outside of the court. I get the impression that is what is happening here...and I can't figure out why you aren't getting that impression either.

Do you really think anyone in here is claiming Lebron will be a bust because of his attitude? I have seen someone WISH he would bust because of his attitude, but that is different (and I don't think they really meant it). Just because people don't like Lebron James because he seems arrogant doesn't mean they are judging his basketball skills according to some moral standard that doesn't apply.

 

Damnit, I cut out some of your post and didn't respond.

What exactly do you consider the "big picture" to be? I would say that Lebron's personality is a part of the big picture, and so judging him according to what is "proper" is not irrelevant. And even if you DO consider it to be separate from the "big picture", who's to say that the people in this thread aren't judging him according to "what is proper" for the sake of just that? I think that, if you are a person that dislikes arrogant people, disliking Lebron James because you think he is arrogant is justification enough...forget about the big picture.