On like Donkey Kong: Obama Said to Plan Moves to Shield 5 Million Immigrants

The problem is they just haven't been any good at it.

 

It's hard to argue we "voted for" this particular action Obama would taken when he specifically said he couldn't take this very action.

 

Look at your two posts.

President Obama specifically said he couldn't and wouldn't take this action.

So if we vote for the actions he would taken when we elected him, and we vote for representatives in who we vest authority to take action on our behalf, him taking an action that he said he couldn't and wouldn't take prior to getting elected is a breach of trust in my opinion.

 

Wait... didn't Obama campaign for immigration reform from the get go?

 

He did, but he specifically said this option he's now taking was something he could not and would not do.

 

But... if six years have gone by, and still no progress has been made, is it unreasonable that he takes a different approach... especially in light of the recent elections which will make congressional action even less likely?

 

I consider it unreasonable that something he said he did not have the constitutional power to do in 2011 is now something he will do anyway. He was either lying then or he doesn't care about the constitution now.

 

Or, his interpretation of the constitutionality changed?

When Bush 1 said "Read my lips... " did he lie? Did he just not care about whether taxes were raised? Or, perhaps, the situation changed?

 

Graduate. It's mostly been reading books and academic journals. The discussion has been much better than the one I had in undergrad many years ago.

 

I wish now I had taken that class instead of Causal Inference.

 

Lol, that's supposed to be really good. I have to take a few more classes like that next year.

 

Laws? we dont need no stinkin' laws.....


I know, right?.........

 

Is it possible that his opinion on executive powers has changed after being President for 6 years and after the failed Bush administration is even more of a memory?

Sure it is possible after 3 years he changed his mind..... but I doubt it. This is all about politics, and the means to the end not really mattering. It isn't something that I believe is "good" long term, however it isn't unique to Obama and it won't be unique to whomever the next Republican President is that does the same.... but with liberals complaining it wrong.

 

University of Houston?

 

Yup, lol, did undergrad at A&M. I'm Kim. Hello.

 

I agree with all of this and I think "need" is a relative term. They "need" to have a higher profit margin. Agricultural staples have mechanical harvesting (potato, cotton, corn) we don't need a cheaper price on strawberries. Those industries just want to lower costs on unskilled labor intensive jobs.

 

Oh I agree with the relativism of it. I have a friend who advocates an FDR style public works project as a potential solution to economic woes, but that's just not viable bc the population makeup is just different nowadays. From what I've been reading, every time (or most of the time) that a more restrictive immigrant labor policy has been passed or enforced in the last 30 years, it's followed up by more local, state, and national loophole laws bc corporations get hurt. So it's not just that those industries are desiring cheaper labor (which is true), but it's also that Latino immigrants are doing jobs that other demographics no longer do. There's a social scientist black lady (I forgot her name or where she studied...I'll look it up later...I just remember watching a conference video) who argues that it's incorrect to say that Latino immigrants are doing jobs that other Americans wouldn't do, but I recall her data to be historical. It was that way in the past, and maybe it could be that way in the future, but it's not that way now. So all this fake hatred by political elites is just pandering to the ignorant masses. They're the same legislators that approve the loopholes to help out industries meet their economic "needs".