http://images.quizilla.com/T/TheSarcasticOne/1040497658_AHecubusandSi.gif http://images.quizilla.com/T/TheSarcasticOne/1040497658_AHecubusandSi.gif this is eeevil!!!
Just to be clear I'm not advocating doing evil but wondering about if evil is inherent to the Universe.
If "evil" is inherent in every language of man, does that make it inherent in the Universe. You know the "universe" is just another word like "evil." think about it. How many words can we describe? Then think about how many words need no description, because we knew what they were before language was invented. We certainly knew what "evil" was way before we coined the word "universe."
I'm not up on my Wittgenstein but I believe he was they guy who connected the structure of thought to the structure of language. Given that "evil" is a term and is a subjective term at that it sounds like you are wondering if "evil" would existing without the term. Consider if a culture with no term for "evil" or its equivalent and someone dismembered a child for fun. Now just because they don't have the term would that act still create some form of social revulsion among them? Probably so. Just because the term doesn't exist it doesn't mean that the feeling of it might not exist. I will agree with you though that this is a humanistic approach and for the universe as a whole a child being dismembered for fun is meaningless. It does take humans to imbue things with meaning and as such we will imbue acts with qualities of what we consider good or evil. So for humans I would say that yes evil exists and is inherent whether the term exists or not. If there weren't humans, or some other intelligence, though there wouldn't be anyone to apply a meaning.
Evil is subjective. End of story. Children being dismembered for pleasure? Sounds awfully like what Jehovah (the common god of Jews, Christians, and Muslims) commanded pretty often in the olden days for HIS pleasure... Similarly, our religious definitions of evil? Baal/Satan, Lilith? All old Canaanite gods/demons for things like... "rain", "fertility", things in general we pray for today... The Jews being butchered in the Holocaust is often cited as the paragon of evil in today's press, but it was a "social good" and "in the name of good genetic practices" back then. The Palestianian children being butchered in Israel is often cited as the paragon of evil today, but it is "anti-terrorism" and "collateral damage" to the Israelis. Genocide? It's all due to the perfectly noble pursuits of things like "revenge", "social order", "living space", and "the one true god"... There was a movie on TV the other night called "Nightwatch"... In it, the crazy cop was killing girls and cutting their eyes out ritualistically... To most people, that's the perfect description of evil. To psychiatrists, that's just dementia or some form of insanity. It's not evil, it's just somebody's brain gone haywire... Malice (hurting people) for the sake of itself, by fully sane people, without any pretext or motivation, without any grudge or childhood trauma or gain or necessity, is probably as close to evil as I can imagine. But it's impossible gauge that... since everything we do is so intricately linked to our surroundings and condition.
Evil is objective. End of story. God says such and such is evil. It is therefor evil. Doesn't matter what your perspective, the law, society, my aunt Sherry, or anything/anyone else has to say on the subject. If an omnipotent being declares that helium is evil, then it is. This of course presupposes the existence of said omnipotent being, though Lil's argument presupposes the opposite, so it is no more or less valid.
That's part of my original point though. If evil is subjective then so is good and without the reference point of either neither would exist. How would you know what is good without evil and how would you know what is evil without good? My point though regarding the inherentness of evil is that while it may be subjective it is humans that make that determination and as long as there are humans there will be evil.
Nietzsche said that concepts of "good" and evil" are instilled into society (usually by religion in some form) by people with a particular agenda. Further, anybody who claims their actions to be "good" and another's "evil" is a hypocrite because their actions can just as easily be deemed "evil" by someone else. I don't know if I beleive that, but I also don't beleive that "good" and "evil" are necessarily concepts that can be known without language.
Ok so in some book people wrote that a God says this and this is evil, we just follow that, without thinking? Also Which god is right? I know the god of the christians, jews and muslims is the same god, but why are there 3 different holy books then? And which of the 3 religions is right? or is another religion right? and what if God doesn't exsist? therefore evil is Subjective(like i already mentioned in my first post)
That we don't know which (if any) of the religions gives us the correct picture of God does not prove that evil is subjective, any more than the fact that there where different schools of thought on the issue in the 1400s proves that the shape of the earth is subjective. If there is a God, then evil is not subjective. Whatever God says, goes. If there is not a God, then evil is a concept created by man and is no more meaningful than illegal. So, evil is only subjective if God does not exists (or if God didn't choose to define evil, but rather left it up to man). Since there is no proof of either of those conditions, it is impossible to claim with certainty that evil is subjective. It is equally impossible to prove the objective nature of evil, because it is impossible to prove the existence of God. As such, this question is unanswerable.
That is not what you said in your previous post If we do not know which religion is right we cannot know what is evil and what is not. siince i do not believe in a god, for me evil is subjective. but i agree with you that if a god excists than evil is not subjective.(well actually it still is since the God(s) then decides what is evil and what is not).
