Omer Asik + Taj Gibson OR late first round pick for Kevin Martin?

NO LOL. Asik sucks. Taj is just a hustle guy...not that special. Patterson is fine there.

 

Quite frankly I don't really care about Taj Gibson. He's the type of backup PF that's easily signed via FA or draft.

But Asik is a quality center, and if Chicago can provide 2-3 picks then I would do the deal. I feel the Charlotte pick is not as good as advertised since its lottery protected for the next 3 years basically.

 

I've thought long and hard about how to get Kevin Martin to Chicago and off Houston's books while giving great value to each team.

Chicago

KEVIN MARTIN
MARVIN WILLIAMS



Houston

JOSH SMITH
OJ MAYO

Atlanta

BRAD MILLER
OMER ASIK
TAJ GIBSON
KYLE KORVER
RONNIE BREWER
CHUCK HAYES


Memphis

Charlotte's pick
ZAZA PACHULIA
Houston's 23 pick


Chicago does this because, Kevin Martin is literally a superstar scorer. He may not do much else, but he is Kobe-like when it comes to scoring. Don't believe me? Check out the stats. He is even more efficient than Kobe (not that its hard to do these days).

Marvin Williams gives them a great, starter-level backup at the SF spot next to Luol Deng. Luol is a great player, but who has been backing him up? Korver? Yeah, not much. Williams is a great defender, and can knock down the 3 while open. And he is very young and still has a lot of upside, provided he can fit into Thibodeau's system. He is a hardworker and has a great NBA body.

Atlanta does this because, it lets them get a true center while being able to shift Horford to the PF spot, AND unload Marvin William's contract. They tried giving him away for free to Cleveland and that didn't even work. Here they get Kyle Korver for bench offense, and believe it or not, Korver is probably a better player than Williams in Atlanta's system. Right now they have no perimeter defender, (Damien Wilkins and the rest doesn't do the job), so Brewer gives them a great backup to Joe Johnson.

Houston does this because they get a star PF back, freeing them to move Scola and fully move into rebuilding mode. They really need to start rebuilding as Yao's era is coming to an end and being in the 14th pick two years in a row is just 2 years wasted. Josh Smith will be a great addition, and if he doesn't fit into their plans his trade value is just as high as Kevin Martin's.

Memphis does this, well because they were going to trade him for Josh McRoberts and a first rounder. In this case they get a Charlotte pick and also get another pick and a quality backup C.

 

I don't know about Asik's potential, but right now I could care less about about late 1st rounders. It's "nice" when you get them by trading a Battier or Brooks. Because they basically replenish the depth you lose by trading a role player. But for Martin I want at least top 10(or top 5 for a crappy draft like this one).

So either do this trade because the Rockets believe Asik's potential would make him a top 5 pick this draft, or don't bother at all. The other stuffs don't really matter.

 

Take it from a diehard Bulls fan and a new Rockets fan, Asik is a solid C. He's very good defensively and I wouldn't be surprised if he added a mediocre low-post game during the offseason. Right now he's reduced to putbacks and dunks, but every once in a blue moon he flashed a pretty good understanding of low-post movement. He made huge strides during the season. He used to get the ball under the basket and get stripped so easily(or he'd go up weak), not so much anymore. He used to foul quiet often, but as the season progressed you'd routinely see him jump straight up with his arms high(which with his length made it very difficult to get the shot over him) when the offensive player would attack the basket and there would be no whistle. Even when at times his arms came down a bit or he slightly jumped into the offensive player, meaning he was also earning more respect from the refs. His rebounding also just suddenly became very good(not that it was bad before) and his defense definitely improved.

The injury concern is somewhat valid though, Bulls traded for his draft rights and the next 2 seasons in Turkey he hardly played because of injuries. Though rumor has it that it was the best thing that could have happened to him, supposedly he was able to work on his conditioning with Chicago's staff in a way that he never had before. He was healthy all season up until the injury in the Heat series. I do worry, as someone else mentioned, how he would fare with the increase in minutes.

Having said all of that, Kmart is definitely worth more than Asik and Gibson yet the Bulls still wouldn't do it for salary reasons and their frontcourt depth is very important to them. Rockets don't need Gibson anyway, Patterson is a solid backup with room to grow. That's nothing against Gibson though, he's actually an underrated player(who got WAY overrated just for a second there after the 1st Bulls-Heat game). He's had his ups and downs so I understand why some would think he's solid and some would think he sucks, again trust me I've seen him his entire pro career and he's a starting-quality PF when his jumpshot is falling at a decent rate.

Sorry for the really long post, I'm prone to rambling.

 

HEY OP, UMAD!?

 

Chicago PR guy submarining in the Rockets forum. They want Martin quite alot, huh?

 

HELL YES. Martin only gets his shots when the game's already blown out, either way.

 

The pick I was referring to was the Charlotte pick, which could turn out quite good in a couple years time.

The issue I have with trading Martin for a top 5 pick, ala Ray Allen trade, is that this year's draft is very weak. So you either get Minnesota's pick and get Kanter, or there is nothing else to get at all, unless you consider Motiejunas or another Euro to be worth the trade. If we can't get Martin-for-Kanter, then well Asik could be just as good as any of those other big guys in this draft, although I could be wrong about them.

Or we could wait until the 2012 draft which is looking to be one of the strongest drafts in recent years, but that would delay our rebuilding process, which is the whole point of trading Martin in the first place anyways.

 

Lol I do, I don't know about the Bulls. I'm guessing they figure they can keep all of their depth and just sign a SG(provided the new CBA allows them to).

 

I wanted them to sign T-Mac but obviously he has no chance now.

 

Man he'll naw!! Please go to the closest mirror, look into it with a straight face, and say you wouldn't be the first to call for morey's head because we don't have a scorer....

 

Hell Naw *fixed (damn iPhone autospell)

 

Martin plays absolutely no defense at all, but no, I would not do that trade.

 

I would suggest that overall Lee fills more of the Bull needs than Martin does. The Bulls don't need a #1 scorer. A good scorer that plays D fits them just fine. They still have Rose after all. Plus the cap hit isn't as much.

 

hell no

 

I want a long, athletic, defensive center with the durability of Luis Scola. Anyone with a history of ankle/foot problems can play for someone else, thank you very much. That would exclude Asik, who I wanted until he fractured his fibula. Next?

 

I would say yes. Chicago would say no.

 

They already have elite defense, that's not the problem. They're in desperate need of another play-maker, after Rose their next best ball-handler is CJ Watson who's more of an over-dribbler that doesn't attack the basket often. You're not going to get very far when you're relying on Bogans, Deng, Brewer, and Korver to create off the dribble.

 

Yes if you are a bulls fan..