Oklahoma shuts down SAE due to racists chants

What horrible luck. The one time he chants about lynching black people in unison with a bus full of people who somehow knew the words to this spontaneously created chant there just happens to be someone taking video. This guy is the unluckiest non-racist, racist chanting kid in America.

 

It's the double standard of personal accountability for minorities while giving entitled white kids every benefit of the doubt.

 

The kids have already admitted to being taught this chant, and its quite clear that they know it well.

I'd say it's fairly likely they've happily sang this chant before.

 

Which is why I mentioned violent racist chants instead of just racist chants.

But it doesn't matter whether they chanted this once or more than once. The issue is they had a mind set that allowed them to enjoy shouting violent racist chants.

I agree that it would be ashamed if their idiocy at age 19 cost them jobs and their future. But if they actually put action to their apology and worked to combat racism, then I think they could get past what they did, and it wouldn't harm them. But that would take a lot of work, soul-searching, education, etc. on their part for that to happen.

If they don't do that, then I can't feel too bad about any legal repercussions that come as a result from this.

 

Exactly, the punishment fits the crime.

Now that we've dealt with campus racism in America, maybe we'll move on to less important issues like sexism on campus or underage drinking.

 

Seems like you're injecting your own bias and class resentment into this. Millionaires?

 

Going to school at OU isn't exactly the same as living in the Hamptons.

 

The 'history' you learn in school is 'his story'... They want everyone to believe that all black folks came over here (and everwhere else) on slave ships. During the slave era over here _ In swamplands like Louisiana they used black babies (and toddlers) as 'Gator Bait'. Now ask yourself... Why go through all the trouble to bring Africans over here and buy them and turn around and kill the children instead of letting them grow for the free labor. They did that because they had a population of black folks here already. Moors were everywhere and read up on the Olmec civilization (in Mexico) that ran parallel to the Egyptian dynasty and they migrated to the southern part of North America and the west coast. Christopher Columbus was even transporting slaves from here back the other way (but yet they claim black folks weren't here till 1619 in school books).

Many Black Americans (especially in the south, mid-west, west coast) share the same story you read about the other Native Americans. The majority of the people here with the 'slave ship ancestors' are the Irish who are the forgotten slaves and they have a gruesome history as well that has been covered up. There are Irish people themselves who claim that they were the 1st slaves over here...

Europeans have rewrote history all over the world.

 

I don't resent Millionares. I resent Racists. I have a bias against the someone being able to say, "You can hang them from a tree".

 

Not surprising but OU SAE Chapter has hired a high profile lawyer (the same one who defended Timothy McVeigh) to plead their case and also severed ties with the national trail.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sae-lawyer-stephen-jones-takes-ou-prez-david-boren-again-n322861

SAE Case Will Be Lawyer Stephen Jones' Rematch Against OU President David Boren

The maverick attorney who has agreed to represent an University of Oklahoma frat at the center of a racial uproar will find himself squaring off against an old opponent.

Lawyer Stephen Jones, who is best known for defending Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, once ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate against David Boren — who went on to become OU's president and who shut down the Sigma Alpha Epsilon frat house this week.

Jones told NBC affiliate KFOR that his newest clients are upset that Boren booted the entire chapter and evicted members from their house after two students were caught on video singing a racist song that vowed "there will never be a n----- SAE." He scheduled a press conference for 2:30 p.m. CT.

Jones, a Republican, tried to unseat Boren, a Democrat, from his Senate seat in 1990. Boren, who had previously served as Oklahoma's governor, swatted away the challenge, taking 83 percent of the vote.

In his firm biography, Jones says he worked as Richard Nixon's personal research assistant in 1964 before he became president. His legal work, however, has been all over the political map.

Jones represented a college student who waved a Viet Cong flag on campus in the 1970s, and was fired by his firm as a result. He also went to bat for Yippie radical Abbie Hoffman, who was accused of trying to start a riot with a speech at Oklahoma State University.

In 1995, he was appointed to defend McVeigh after other lawyers dropped out because they knew some of the bombing victims. McVeigh was convicted and put to death.

The McVeigh case brought national attention to Jones. In several profiles, a former law partner, Alec Naughton, bragged that he had once given him two black eyes after a court case that put them on opposite sides.

McNaughton could not be reached for comment because he is serving life for stabbing his second wife to death in 2009.

Jones likes to call himself a "county-seat lawyer" who works out of sleepy Enid instead of Oklahoma City, but he's an outsize personality swathed in pinstriped suits. And he admits he knows a little something about saying the wrong thing.

"I'm not a shrinking violet," he told People magazine in 1997. "Sometimes I trip over my own lip."

OU President on First Reaction to Fraternity Video: 'I was Sickened'
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First published March 13th 2015, 11:50 am
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Here's a question. Should these kids a accepted to another University ever again? I'm all for second chances but I just don't think anyone want any ties to kids caught making racist chants. What are your opinions?

 

Evidence to the contrary.

 

That's really easy to say, but harder to practice. What if your grandfather sat you on his knee when you were little and described the degradation he faced when trying to vote, get an education, procure a home loan, get a job, or any of the other horrors that segregation and Jim Crow brought to those people it effected? Imagine that grandfather passed on some of the pain, mistrust, and resentment toward his perpetrators to his son (in this analogy, your father) who came of age in the 60's and 70's when the level of racism toward Black Americans was still at a level that would shock the F*** out of all of us millennials and Gen-Xer's.

Maybe, being the product of two generations of inequitable treatment by the majority would leave some residual distrust and resentment in a person. Not an absurd notion, right? Just trying to inject a little empathy into the conversation...

 

Of course they should be able to complete college; this is a post-industrial economy, we can't afford to ban people from higher education for non-criminal acts.

 

Awesome... :grin:

 

I am flabbergasted, how can this happen in post-racial America!?!?!