so on 790 they led off with a rumor out of denver that has the texans possibly trading the #8 pick for plummer, tatum bell, and multiple denver draft picks, i'm guessing 5th/6th round. would y'all do it?
****. No. Seriously, I will eat all the crow in the world about how crappy an organization the Texans are if they do this or if they take Quinn with the #8.
Only if the multiple picks were a first and second rounder. What numbers did Bell put up last year? Let me go find out.
you know that's exactly what i thought but the two guys who do the afternoon show kept saying how it'd be a no-brainer for the texans. i thought i was missing details but they repeated this deal multiple times. the only caller i heard was a broncos fan who says the texans would be crazy not to do that. obviously from his perspective.
Tatum Bell '06 - 1025 yards total on 4.4 ypc. He's 26 years old. The draft picks better be a first and second rounder.
he put up over a thousand yards despite missing 3 games. he's a good player but he's not peterson. plummer and late picks wouldn't mean anything at all to me and bell isn't worth #8.
No thanks if it's late round picks. If it's Plummer, Tatum Bell, their 1st, and then maybe their 3rd I'd do it. Keeping a first round pick lets you get a secondary guy late in the round or an OL or a DL pash rusher. THe extra third gets you a shot at Kolb while Plummer and Bell are both starters on this team.
A #1, #3, Plummer and Bell for the #8 is probably at least what it would take. That said, I don't want Denver's cast offs and I definitely do not think this is anything more than a internet rumor, and certainly not something I would expect to grow legs. Create your own identity Texans.
http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-3/1171867247155460.xml&coll=1&thispage=2 Apparently, Houston quarterback David Carr can be had for a price. Texans General Manager Rick Smith told the Houston Chronicle that a couple of teams have inquired about Carr's availability. The Texans are hoping to get a third-round pick that could escalate to a second-round pick. Carr, 28, has two years remaining on his contract at $5.5 million this year and $6 million in 2008. The Texans are eyeing Denver quarterback Jake Plummer as a potential replacement. Plummer enjoyed the three best seasons of his career when Houston Coach Gary Kubiak served as the Broncos' offensive coordinator.
I would do it for a 2nd, a 3rd, Bell and Plummer for the 8th. Then trade Carr somewhere for a 3rd and we have for the draft, 2 2nd round picks and 3 3rd round picks. Stockpile talent, super bowl in 3 years. If not get one of the top lineman.
So how many articles with the rumor of this are out there? Are we really thinking Plummer is the answer though? I still can't see that being much better, is he so much more mobile or agile?
I think Achilleus the deal with Quinn is how many big games has he won? Granted he has had some impressive games vs Michigan State and UCLA with the comeback this year but, against USC, Michigan this year absolutely dreadful and of course, LSU just buried him in the Sugar Bowl. On a side note, UCLA turned out to be a quality win because they later in the season of course, upset USC. So to some degree we can argue this point in many different directions. I just have mixed feelings on players when the spotlight is on them and they do not perform to expectations. You have the tendency to doubt how good will they be. I think some of us are thinking, "ok, he can maneuver and beat bad, also-ran teams, maybe a good team every once in awhile but, how will he fare against superior coached and talented teams in the NFL?" He has the skills. He's used to pressure playing at Notre Dame big difference from Fresno State in that respect. That's a no-brainer but, can he deliver in the big game at crunch time? Does he have the mental capability to keep his wits about him and engineer key drives and change courses of games and ultimately win the game? Can you give us any specific feedback on this, Achilleus. It's just we already got this wrong once as a franchise. Do we dare pick another 1st round QB this year and tempt fate once more? My personal opinion, Brady Quinn will be anything but a bust. My concern is will he be a star? If not, then you only take a first rounder worthy of star status especially in the top 10 area. We have options. The Texans have many areas they can still fill out with other worthy candidates if no AP available at #8. The main thing is the Texans MUST get this one right! Though last years draft overall we hit a home run on, we need to do as good if not better than last years to REALLY turn around the course of this franchise. We need to do all we can to find ways to stockpile draft picks. We need more than one player to be a star. We need vast upgrades with talent across the board in just about every position both offensively and defensively to be filled via FA or the draft.
I've already posted specific stats twice from the big games. In the past two seasons he's had two "bad" games, but you can't blame all the losses on him, not with the numbers he's put up. Notre Dame's defense is awful, especially the defensive backs. If Brady Quinn had faced the defense Russell did in the Sugar Bowl then we probably wouldnt have to worry about choosing Quinn, because he would be a lock at #1, I think. I'm tired of defending Quinn. If people don't like him, fine, we all have biases that color our perspectives. There's nothing more I can do besides post his stats or clips of actual game footage. His mechanics are great, he's athletic, he's faster than Russell ( at least in 40 times, which I posted before), and he's put up tremendous numbers - even against teams like USC, UCLA, Penn St., etc. But how do you respond to people who say stats don't matter or compare his numbers to David Carr's (which is unbelievably dumb)? How do you reply to people who say he will be a bust, without offering any reason why, except that he plays at Notre Dame and 'ND is always overrated'? We'll just see what happens. I'd like the Texans to draft him, but I'm not going to be angry if they don't. I am pretty confident that Brady Quinn will be an excellent quarterback in the NFL and whatever team he ends up with will probably be my "second favorite," as childish as that sounds.
That's not childish at all. That's the approach a lot of VY fans took. It's an entertainment choice. Now, if the Cowboys draft BQ, you're going to have quite the dilemma. Continue to follow BQ, or stay true to Houston by despising (only in a fun rivalry sense) all things dallas?
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=24&p=2&c=620302&refid=400&CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5 The two names most likely to change addresses are Texans quarterback David Carr and Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer, who will be released if he's not dealt. Ironically, Houston could well be Plummer's next destination, to reunite with coach and former Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. The Texans aren't hiding the fact they're talking with several teams to see what the
Ok Chief, bring it down a notch. I never was calling Quinn a bust. Yes, his talent level and mechanics are top notch never disputed that. Yes, heard a few times that ND's defense this year was pretty much atrocious. So, we'll say the USC game they got wore down by a better defense and Dwayne Jarrett. The Michigan game they just came out flat and got their ass handed to them. LSU they just flat got beat by a better team overall. The thing that rubs people the wrong way about ND typically is how arrogant they are. Especially their fans. Maybe only Ohio State who also got severely humbled on a primetime national stage is close to rivaling in this respect. For this reason Achilleus, don't expect fellow A&M, UT and even UH fans to give much love to anything ND. UH still remembers the hated ice bowl with Montana's miracle. A&M got tortured over and over again in bowl games consistently not only losing but not even competing with the Irish. UT well because its ND. Yes agreed, comparing Quinn's numbers to DC's is very moronic indeed. Notre Dame's schedule is head and shoulders more difficult each and every season than Fresno State's. The fact of the matter is this, in another comparison what's to say Kolb isn't this years DC? Now don't throw me under the bus people but understand something. UH played South Carolina in the Liberty Bowl this year and largely looked good and damn near pulled off a miraculous comeback finish, BUT ... bottom line the Coogs lost. Thus, the pundits will say "see what happens when Kolb plays REAL conference competition!" I mean Miami was in a down year and we STILL could not beat them. So in all honesty, with everyone bantering names around for future Texan star signal callers, we must be fair in assessment here. If we down Quinn for ND's performance against top notch competition from more superior conferences (Big Ten, Pac 10 and SEC), then Kolb has some definite questions also concerning UH lost to a low-tier bowl-eligible team in South Carolina. Obviously UH's defense did Kolb no favors it was flat out atrocious. Good game, overall though. Very entertaining and then maddening. Just wanted to point that out to everyone as well. For the record, Achilleus not bagging on you or dogging Quinn just engaging in inquisitive sports analysis. There's one thing without a doubt, Quinn, Kolb or for that matter ... goofy is an upgrade from DC IMO.
