Sorry. Not trying to suggest that would be one's only motive for wishing to draft Quinn. Just curious, as ND is a Catholic school and I see a reference to Catholic Relief Services in your sig. Come to think of it, I wouldn't post my alma mater on a BBS either. My bad.
I just looked at Plummer's first year in Denver compared to Carr's 2006 season. If you factor in the difference in the talents of each team, they're really not that far apart.
How exactly did you factor in the "talents of each team"? What is that worth statistically? Plummer: 198 yds / game Carr: 172 Plummer: 7.2 yards per attempt Carr: 6.3 Plummer: 15 TDs and 7 INTs in 11 games Carr: 11 and 12 in 16 games Plummer: 2 fumbles, 2 lost (11 games) Carr: 16 fumbles, 7 lost Plummer: 205 yards rushing, 3 TDs, 5.5 yards per attempt (11 games) Carr: 195, 2 TDS, 3.7 If you just adjusted all of that for "difference in talent", you could argue basically anything you want. This is exactly my point when people try to do whatever they can to tear down other options and prop up Carr. There is nothing remotely statistically similar about their two seasons, but you either upped all of Carrs stats dramatically or pulled down Plummer's to make them similar.
I was looking around the Texans website and there seems to not be many ads/pics of Carr over there. Not sure if that is normal, but for the franchise QB to not be somewhat displayed is interesting. . Could this be an indicator that the wheels are in motion?
I don't know, but on the website they have a picture of the UH qb taking a snap during a senior bowl practice, with the NFL draft countdown underneath. http://www.houstontexans.com/home.php
Simple question (or two). Do you believe that the Broncos in Plummers first season there were a more talented team than the Texans of 2006? If not, do you believe that if Plummer had been the starting QB for the Texans in 2006, he would have led them to a 10-6 record like the Broncos had in 2003? I'm not trying to prop up Carr. I've posted numerous times over the past few days that I think the best course of action is to part ways with him. I'm just not convinced that Jake Plummer is worth the time. I'd rather go with Sage and develop a younger QB, or go after someone like Schaub.
Click User CP. It doesn't work though. You'll constantly be clicking "view this post" no matter how much the poster annoys you.
Sure - and I don't disagree that Plummer's stats were better because of being in Denver. I just don't see how you can say their seasons were similar given the differences in talent. That seems like a very arbitrary thing to inflate Carr's stats to account for more talent (or deflate Plummer's) and come to the conclusion that their seasons were similar. It seems like you might as well say Peyton Manning's 2006 was similar to Carr, if you just account for talent differences too. I'd be fine with Sage or especially Schaub. My main contention in this discussion is if its between Carr & Plummer.
OK, I see that. Of course it's arbitrary, but a lot of these opinions are. I really think that by far the main reason for Plummer's better years in Denver than in Arizona is the talent surrounding him, not that Plummer all of the sudden got the game or even that Kubiak/Shanahan are tremendous coaches. If I really thought we were on the brink of contending, I wouldn't have a problem with Plummer. Nor would I have a problem with Plummer if we really address our OL this offseason. I think 2008 is the year that we'll realistically compete for a playoff spot, and our team will be very young. I'd like to find a QB that's could potentially be here for 5-6 years (which is why I originally included Huard in my last post, not realizing he'll be 34 this year). Let me also add that if they do add Plummer, I'm not going to be upset. I believe it's time to part ways with Carr. I just hope they look at other alternatives without rushing into Plummer just because he's flourished under Kubiak before.
I agree with that, unfortunately it looks like its slim pickings this year. If it is plummer hopefully he will just be a stop gap QB and not get some stupid long term, hand tying contract.
Would everyone PLEASE stop bagging Plummer before he even gets here? Look, for the thousandth time check the stats. Plenty of people on here have shown evidence validating the move. If y'all insist on ignoring the numbers, the facts of the matter you do so of your own doing. Do you honestly think we will better if we keep Carr??? I don't think so. Like I said before, Plummer is not the long term answer but this just in neither is Carr. Plummer is a "stopgap" journeyman to plug in for a few years while Kuby grooms a REAL franchise QB. Plummer in his 3 years with Kuby at Denver registered a 32-11 record. Hmmm ... their must be some method to the madness. Three top 10 rankings among NFL QB's. Face it, Carr is gone because Kuby completely lost faith in him at the end of the season. The Tennessee game up there no wait, actually his deplorable play in the third and part of the fourth quarters in Dallas signalled the beginning of the end to DC in H-Town. The Raiders game sealed his fate. The NE game was just the cherry on top. All I'm saying is give the dude a chance before you go throwing him under the bus. His track record with Denver sans last year showed great improvement over his beginning time in Arizona. I know it may be painful for some of y'all to come to this realization but the Texans will be better even at day 1 with Plummer than even the last day of the fifth year with DC or in other words, on his best day.
