given the way the season has turned out, i'd say yes. i'd say this team needs playmakers, and bush looks like he's gonna become one. i said way back when that we put a lot of pressure on mario when you take him relative to the talent you were passing up. he will always be judged relative to vy and bush...whether that's fair or not.
I'm happy with Mario, he's a force and will be good. Passing on VY is passing on VY, bad decision no matter what. Bush wouldn't have appeased me if thats what you asking, but I'm sure he would have appeased quit a bit of fans
I think with Bush, we would not be complaining about Carr near as much. As mentioned earliear, Bush would have turned some of those dump passes into long gains. We essentially have no one on this team that gets any YACs. MM I think to refute your argument about getting Carr some weapons can be offset with the loss of DD. We basically (after injuries) have just as bad an offensive line as before, we just don't see the sack #'s b/c Carr dumps the ball off soo much. This combined with no running game takes some tarnish off adding other "weapons".
there will always be a reason carr isn't performing. at some point, carr has to perform. let him prove himself somewhere there's an incredible OL and he has jerry rice and art monk to throw to.
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that a terrible OL is Carr's best friend. Sure he takes some hits, but it guarantees him a paycheck since everyone will use that as an excuse for him
Well, I'm on record as for wanting them to draft Bush or Leinart so I feel that Bush's contributions here would have been more than what they've turned out to be at NO. Given the current feeble state of the Texans offense (Texans Offense: an oxymoron if there ever was one), Bush would have given the Texans the one thing they lack on offense right now: a game breaking player that other teams would be forced to respect. Even, if they'd lost the same way on Sunday, at least they (Texans) wouldn't be the laughingstock of the entire NFL because they would have picked the Heisman Trophy winner who most everyone believed was worth the top pick in the draft. Not so with Mario Williams. The anger and rage that you're seeing from Texans' fans (those who are left), is due to the fact that with the first pick in the entire draft, they passed on two guys with superior offensive skills for a defensive guy (Williams) who has proven not to be an impact player and who has been basically outplayed on the defensive side of the ball by a guy taken in the second round (Ryans). Finally, to make matters worse, it is Ryans and not Williams whose name is now being mentioned as the defensive ROY. Call me old-fashioned but I'm firmly of the opinion that if I draft a DE no.1, the least he could do is to make enough of an impact to merit post-season recognition.
I'm not really making excuses b/c Carr has his faults (pocket pressense (sp?) and reading defenses) but I haven't seen any QB have to start out his career with more crap around him than Carr. He has been destined to fail from the start, every year or two adding a piece here or losing a piece there. It kind of irritates me how much abuse the guy takes and anytime someone tries to defend him it's all about "making excuses".
I think the answer to Ric's question (I think) is YES...the masses would not be so irate with the Bush pick because that's who everyone wanted originally. Remember the "Bush Bowl"? No one was calling it the Vince Bowl. Certainly not the Mario Bowl. Even after the Rose Bowl, I still think there were more Bush people than Vince people. It wasn't until Vince beat the Giants a few weeks ago that a lot of people here jumped on his bandwagon.
Yeah, why isn't there one person calling for Leinart if this is all objective football reasoning rather than male fantasizing?
Your question doesn't make any sense, though. I'd imagine a Young supporter would believe that Young was better than Leinart. Certainly the title game would have cemented that opinion for them. Why would they call for Leinart if they could have Young and believe he is the better option?
i definitely think people would not be as mad. i mean, if we draft bush, at least we can say that we have a good, maybe soon to be great playmaker for years to come. if we have to draft another QB in the next 2 years or so, at least we would have bush to keep the team afloat. now, if we go into next year's draft needing a RB and a QB, its still going to be a looooong road to being competitive (on offense anyway) no matter which one we picked.
Actually All things being Equal . . probably Not I still would have wanted VY HOWEVER This offence. . is geared toward Bush's Game Dink and dump passes. Bush more than any back we got . . can take it to the house off those lil BS Passes I think Bush/Moulds/Johnson would have produced more [cause u still had Ron Dayne bashing people] Rocket River
So you speak with Kubiak on a personal level? He discusses his reasoning behind his decisions to you? GREAT! whewww! And here I am thinking we play conservatively because every team we play KNOWS we have no running game and a O-Line that can be broken. It's all Carr's fault. While we're at it let's call out Rumsfeld and Georgie as the secondary reasons we play so conservatively.
I am not disappointed in Mario. I am disappointed in no VY. The things that some of us avowed would make VY a standout in the NFL are already manifesting themselves in his rookie campaign. While I believe Mario will be great for the next 10 years, I still believe VY will be Super. He is this generation's John Elway. And if he were on this team, even when we didn't win the Super Bowl or weren't really contenders, the stands would still be full, just to watch the VY Show. It was a no lose scenario and anybody with any football sense at all knows football is war and in war you have to have great leadership to win above all. The most important component is strong leadership. It's the one intangible alongside a whole list of tangible components that makes Vince invincible. His leadership ability and skill would make a poor to average physically skilled quarterback win in the NFL. Combine his leadership with his physical talents and you have a dominating superstar that will be a primary force in the NFL to be reckoned with for the next decade. I'm still sick over it. We may stumble into a Super Bowl or two over the next decade, (I'm convinced Kubiak is a good enough coach and Mario is an All-Pro stud) but we will always be coming up against the hometown boy and we will have to deal with him singlehandedly kicking our tails many, many more times over the next decade. We may win a few of those battles, but he will win the war and for the rest of our collective lives we will be discussing, puking, gagging, and be totally frustrated over what could have been. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
How can you NOT be disappointed in Mario? Frankly, he has shown next to nothing in terms of being a dominant pass rusher. He was the #1 overall pick. To me, he looks more like a defensive tackle than and edge rusher. He has displayed almost NO pass rush moves. No arm rips, no spins, no swim moves; mostly just a bull rush, which as I said, resembles more a DT the DE.
No, I just watch the games. And listen to Kubiak talk about the games. And his QB. It's called common sense. It's not that hard to do. But you keep holding on. I'm sure you get a trophy for being left behind while the rest of us move on.
I think this is the essence of it. I was completely anti-Bush (I preferred trading down as my #1 option), but yeah, if the franchise drafted Bush, there would be less uproar. The reason being that the franchise would have been given a second honeymoon period. Vince would have given it the biggest honeymoon period, of course (several years), but Bush would have made fans going into the season believe "the franchise is improving". The fact that management basically told their fans "we know better than you" by picking Williams put them on shaky ground. That's OK, but as you said, they'd better damn well be right. Unfortunately for them, it doesn't look that way so far, so fans are going to react. You'd still have a lot of people upset over missing out on VY in your scenario for a variety of reasons: concerns about Bush, the hometown factor, the UT factor, the "QB is the most important position" factor, etc. But it would be much less. Probably 45% of Houston wanted Bush. 45% Vince. 10% Mario Williams. So right now, 90% are annoyed. In your scenario, at most, about 50% would be annoyed. But given Bush's recent performances, I think people would still be excited about the team's future and watching the team, so probably less than that. It's hard to get a fan base excited about a defensive player.
