Ok so do we give Tmac another year, or shop him this summer?

This is my chance to say............. I TOLD YALL IN 04 we shoulda kept Steve because McGrady was unproven and injury prone. That being said, he was being brought here to be the franchise. he is not that. I think we should keep him. he would be one of the best if not the absolute best second option in all of the NBA

 

are you kidding me? mcgrady was francis was a BIG steal for Houston

 

How people with your logical reasoning capabilities function in normal society continues to baffle me.

 

I agree with you all the way, people fail to forget that basketball is a team sport. One player can't win it all by himself. In the 1st 2 games of the series, it was only TMAC making all the plays, no wonder the guy got tired.

There 2 players who couldn't win on their own currently in the NBA; who are superstars, they are Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett. Look at what happened to Garnett when you gave him players around him, he took the TWolves to the Conference Finals. Kobe hasn't done anything without Shaq in his prime, he's only winning now because he's a got a great supporting cast. Nobody can win a championship on their own, even Jordan!

Darryl Morey if you read this keep TMAC and get a couple of more good role players, preferably PF and a backup PG. People enough really with trade TMAC crap! If we had Yao and no McGrady this series, we would be in the same position or worse, with the players we have currently, be careful what you ask for!

 

SWEET GOD !!! PERFECT POST !!!!!

we need to keep T-Mac and Yao...bring in a freak of nature to take some of the heat off of T-Mac and watch THAT team go to the Finals...

 

I think Morey will answer "you tell me how" actually the rockets have very few contracts that are good trade stock. B-Jax, Brooks and Head will make 9 millions in expirings for next year, maybe that can get you a reliable PG or a reliable PF if you add Scola to the mix.

 

We shoulnt trade t-mac just for the sake of trading him. If we get good value for him, then we have to make the deal. But other than that, there is no reason to just simply get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him.

We overacheived with a Yao-less team. thats the bottome line.

 

i would package Scola, Head and our 26th pick for Artest...

i think Artest and Landry could play phenominally next to each other...

as you can see i'm a big Artest nut-rider right now...i'm tired of having a weak team, i'm tired of having heartless players, i'm tired of not having a guy on the team with a killer instinct and i'm tired of seeing one of our players lose a MOTHER EFFIN G#@ D@$% TOOTH !!!!!!

 

You forgot to say you were tired of our players not being convicted of domestic violence, starving their dog and beating up fans.

 

I'm not going to fight u on stuff, but I just want u to be informed as a fan. Its easy to trade in the nba because there is pretty much 4 tier pay system. u have the 2nd max contract guys like kobe,tracy.duncan, ai. U have the 1st max guys like yao,lebron,wade,redd. u have the next tier which I the 8-10m guys like mobley,artest,parker,manu and u have the mle guys like thomas,ridenour, hedo, radmanovich. The key is that most teams are capped out, but not at the luxury tax. To make a trade with teams over the cap, u have to be within 15% of matching salaries. That's why getting a guy like Artest or even a max guy isn't that hard. That how the lakers turned 8m kwame brown and criitendon @1m to get gasol. Since memphis wasn't over the cap, the lakers came within the 15%.

BTW, u can get quality players with the mle. Hedo and tim thomas are quality players that got the mle. Since the mle, the rox have used it once in full, for swift and was traded with gay for shane who makes a little more than mle. Radmaonvich was also a mle. If u don't think u can get a quality player for the mle, ur wrong.

Back to the artest or gordon deal. Artest is early termination option. What the rox can do is after the season, talk with the kings and artest about a extension/trade. They can agree in principle that he agree's to a 4 yr 45m extension and then get traded to the rox for jax,francis and a draft pick. Jax and francis are in the last yr with salaries equaling 8.2 m. Artest makes 8.2 next yr, plus Sac gets a draft pick for a guy that u would get nothing for. If they want Artest, its really not that hard to do it. The rox would still have their mle also to split on a guy like arroyo and mihm or elson. Either way, they need more talent.

 

This is an excellent point. Considering how much we have to hear the Barkley trade was a mistake, I'm surprised this deal gets such a free pass.

The Rockets tried to cheat the rebuilding process by throwing away half the team for another "superstar." Four years later, we still haven't escaped the first round. At best, it was just a lateral move.

Trash the Francis era all you want, but he and Mobley played with the kind of heart we only dream of seeing from McGrady. I doubt that keeping those guys and drafting around a consistently improving Yao Ming would have achieved less than the Rockets have with McGrady. In all likelihood, we would have seen the second round and beyond by now (provided there were no more Eddie Griffin and Bostjan Nachbar draft botches).

 

First of all, TMac was and still is a much better player than Steve. Second of all, he IS the second option on offense if Yao is healthy. Third, like someone mentioned earlier, Francis is on the team and has been injury-prone the last few years.

 

hey, if that's what it takes to get us out of the first round then so be it...

 

No big trades. This team WILL be better next year. Just having Rick Adelman on the sidelines again next year will guarantee that. Rick is one of the best coaches to develop players. Really, it was Adelman who made Peja Stojakovic an all-star, and developed Mike Bibby, Hedo Turkoglu, etc. Brooks, Scola, Landry, and Harris are all just ROOKIES, and look what Adelman has all four of these guys doing already. Rafer and Novak have also improved. Imagine what this team does next year. Also, remember that we supposedly are still running the same grind-it-out JVG offense. If Rick can fully incorporate his offense next year, and keep our same defensive intensity, we'll be one great team.

And of course, we'll get an extra 20+ points, 2 blocks, and 10+rbs with that 7'6'' guy back. And if Steve Francis can get back anywhere close to how he was before we got injured, the point guard position will be stacked. Of course, I speak solely from a fan's point of view. Ideally, I really want so bad for Steve to succeed on this team.

The mentality of the offseason is to just ADD players, not to REPLACE players.
We still wanna keep all the good stuff that happened during the 22 win streak. We are a Yao Ming, and one or two pieces away from making serious noise in the playoffs. Morey definitely has to look at improving the point guard position and getting a slasher/attack-the-basket type player. Personally, I would love for the Rockets to sign Shawn Marion. I believe he's a free agent. He can really match the player that Robert Horry was for us during the championship years. He should improve our athleticism, scoring, and still give us good defense.

 

And that third score in my opinion is Jose Calderon. If he can be had for the mid level exception for 5yrs the Rox should do it. Follow that with a trade with Memphis. Jackson & Head and 1st Rder for Miller. Memphis wants to rebuild and Rox 25th pick won't play anyway.

 

What good is playing with heart when have the most turnover prone backcourt in the league? U want further proff the rox stole mcgrady? How many times francis or mobley has been on a 50 win team? 0. I'm don't even think the rox would be making the playoffs if fracis and mobley were the guards on the rox. With one move the rox went from a upside down t.o ratio team to a 2 to 1 with mcgrady and whoever else. Don't know how much basketball u follow, but during the francis era, the rox lead the league in games lost by 3pts or less. Know why? T.O. prone guards. Say what u will about mcgrady, but the rox traded a Malibu for a BMW.

 

COuld we just stop the trade threads until the season is actually over?

 

and make garm readable? no thank you.

 

My original post was in response to a poster who was saying that the Rockets were unwise in splitting the MLE to get two more players in the last couple of seasons. My response was that the talent pool was not deep enough to warrant spending the full MLE on anyone, the Mike James fiasco is pretty good evidence of that. I really don't understand what the diagreement is, we definitely need more talent, but two things I will respond on your Artest scenario: First Artest has sadi he won't opt out and he would be turning down more money to come here, while the Kings might try to trade him to get value out of him rather than lose him outright after this season what possible value could our pick have to a rebuilding team? Also I'll give you Hedo, but Tim Thomas? C'mon the guy can barely stick in the rotation on the Clips you think he's a quality player?