Ok so do we give Tmac another year, or shop him this summer?

that's fine, but what's his playoffs fg%. it's 41%. he's shooting 42% this yr. so not much difference.

and he's a SCORING point guard, not a real pg. alston fits this team, regardless of his faults b/c he knows where to get the balls to tmac/yao. we saw how bobby struggle with that. now you want iverson to start at PG??

c'mon badgerfan, you're smarter than that.

we want to add players that will fit what adelman is trying to do b/c his style is a winning style (as we're seeing). iverson is not a fit with this system.

 

I'm not real comfortable with the idea of a 32 year old guy backing up a 34 year old guy. I'd say ship Alston out and keep Brooks.

 

Uh..you do realize that Tmac is the focal point of the rockets offense right? Pierce, Allen, and garnett are teammates. Iverson and Carmelo are teammates. Of course their stats will be lower. They have to share the ball with each other.

Your originally said he was the 4th best perimeter player RIGHT NOW. However, right now, he's being outperformed by lots of other players.

We can talk about pierce,allen,iverson,carmelo later. What about Manu and Tony Parker? Nash?

 

If Iverson's a scoring point guard he's a scoring point guard who's averaging a little over 7 assists per game. Fine with me. Alston by contrast only has 5.3 assists per game. He's getting fewer assists than AI.

What's more Alston is flat out mediocre. He's an extremely streaky shooter. No matter what happens with T-Mac this year the Rockets should be looking to finally plug the hole at the PG position. AI's fg% blows Alston's out of the water. And he penetrates, which Alston by and large can't do.

As for AI's playoff fg% it might only be 42%. Did you notice that T-Mac's this year is right around 38%?

 

I thought about that, but if we were to get iverson, we'd need to be in a win-now mindset. He hasnt had enough playing time to prove that he's a consistently capable reserve.

But we do know that Adelman is willing to play rookies if they perform well, and Brooks hasnt been getting much playing time.

 

once again, do you read what you post? if they have BETTER teammates to take the pressure off of them, shouldn't they shoot better than 41% and 42% respectively? shouldn't they do other things to help the team like rebounding, passing, playing defense? you know, OTHER THINGS BESIDES SCORING.

tony parker is playing like the best PG right now. but yea, those guys are capitilizing on the suns' focus on duncan. amare said it himself: "we tried to take away the king (duncan), the queens (parker/manu) step up".

tmac is being guarded like a king and queen.

but again, you said tmac is not even a top 15 perimeter player. with a stupid comment like that, just stop posting. i'll stop responding to you though to save myself from embarrassment.

 

He's log jammed behind Alston and Jackson. The Rockets are supposedly high on Brooks, like they were high on Landry. It's just tough to get playing time as a rookie.

 

Isnt Iverson getting a decent amount of assists?

Btw, one of your points was that Tmac was scoring more than any of them. I pointed out that since those players are teammates with each other, their stats are expected to be lower.

Call it whatever you want. Parker is performing better than Tmac right now.

Really? From what i've seen, its pretty much single coverage with kirilenko or harpring.

i said he's not a top 15 perimeter player right now. And he's not. 1 collective point in the 4th quarters of games 1 & 2? You think that performance entitles you to be considered a top 4 perimeter player? Get real.

 

I'd say one more year with this team, and please for God's sake, stay healthy. If neither him nor Yao can stay healthy, or God-forbid, both of them, then I say it's time for changes. But I can't in good conscience say we need to start fresh now. Not after winning 55 games after losing Yao in March. The Rockets were rolling on all cylinders, I want to see a full year of healthy ball.

 

wekko368,

If you want to trade T-Mac or if you can see serious flaws in his game, that is fine. I agree he has problems with his game and attitude towards the game right now.

My question to you is, do you not agree that it doesn't matter who we have in place? I mean, do you honestly believe Kobe and LeBron and Paul Pierce and Michael Redd and whoever else you had on your list of better players than T-Mac, can do better with this squad? I don't think so. If an opportunity arises that makes the team better, wouldn't you trade ANYONE on the team? Whether it's T-Mac or even Yao, or Brooks or Landry, or whoever?

What is that opportunity? I wouldn't turn down a good deal for this team. I wouldn't turn down a Kobe for T-Mac or a LeBron for T-Mac. At the same time, those will never happen. So what do you do with this situation?

This is why I don't want to trade T-Mac. Let me admit right now, if most people haven't noticed, he is my favorite Rocket and my favorite NBA player. Do I think he's the best? No. Would I oppose a trade with him included that makes this team better? No. But why I don't want to trade T-Mac is I believe that him and Yao, healthy, with an addition like Mike Miller (which we could achieve this summer I believe), and the development of Landry, Scola, and Brooks, could make this team very dangerous. And interchanging parts like T-Mac for Manu, or T-Mac for Redd, won't help this team when you can just build around the core. T-Mac for Kobe would help this team, but those trades aren't reality anymore.

 

I think the answer is Iverson, because you kill two birds with one stone. Iverson is stats wise arguably an upgrade on T-Mac and the PG position has been a huge problem for the Rockets for years. With a PG in place you can move Jackson and Alston and use their salaries to pick up somebody like Mike Miller to play SG.

 

CAN WE ADD


SHAWN MARION without giving up YAO or TMAC?

 

Ill take Carmelo for Mac. Yao and Melo would be sick on the offensive end and Melo could learn to play just as good d as Mac. I know Melo can be a dumbass sometimes but he is younger stays healthy and won an NCAA championship being the leader.

 

I do. Kobe and Lebron wont disappear in the 4th.

Depends on what your goal is. If its to win, then everyone is tradeable. If its to make money, Yao is the biggest cash cow out there.

Realize that he's not the high caliber player he once was and try to trade him for developing stars and above average role players.

I dont know about Redd, but assuming we picked up mike miller, manu for tmac would be an upgrade in my opinion.

Manu has a competitive spirit. Manu doesnt have an ego. Manu can hit free throws. And Manu wants the ball in the 4th quarter.

 

Well yes, Iverson is the Answer...

I don't think he is for this team, though. Iverson does some things at this point of their careers that McGrady doesnt. True. But if you are going to pick up Mike Miller to play with Iverson, why wouldn't you want him with McGrady? There's instant chemistry between the two, he's a great shooter and T-Mac has a tendency to hit his teammates for open shots. This way, Yao gets pressure taken off him and that allows him to work relatively alone in the post. We all know how that's going to turn out: Money!

If Landry and Scola keep improving, if we somehow pick up Mike Miller, and if T-Mac and Yao are healthy next season, we are going to be scary. It saves the trouble of taking a gamble on Iverson and changing the core. Also, why would Denver possibly do this trade? Do they want Melo and McGrady together?

 

Sadly for tmac, he's already past his prime at age 29. Not only that, he is also breaking down fast! who would want to take a jumpshooter injury prone 20million player that is unproven in the playoffs. Rockets, eat his big contract for another year.

 

Two scenarios:

- We have to keep him and see how he'd be under Adelman's coaching with a healthy roster. T-Mac's reputation as an unreliable superstar is pointless with a healthy roster. He is asked to be a contributing superstar, as Yao is our first option. If we don't advance far in the playoffs in '09, he needs to be traded. Period.

- Someone offers a good trade for him this summer. I would take A.I. over T-Mac in a heartbeat.

 

The best way to create open shots for teammates is to penetrate. And Iverson penetrates far more frequently than tmac.

No, denver wouldnt do this trade. We're speculating b/c another poster said that if the trade were offered, Morey would refuse it w/o even considering it.

Frankly, I dont want one of the key pieces on the rockets to have so little competitive spirit and work ethic. And honestly, Iverson would be an upgrade over tmac.

 

Come on now, I love Iverson but I realize what is wrong with him when I see Andre Miller leading the Sixers against the Pistons. That problem is HE'S NOT A POINT GUARD and cannot make his teammates better. He' a great individual player, great scorer, but the majority of his "assists" comes from him driving into the lane and then throwing out the ball in the last second to shooter, hoping they make it. He couldn't lead the same Sixers team to a playoff berth while Miller almost led them to a 3-1 series lead against a #2 team.

 

wekko368,

you have tmac having very bad 4th quarters, i see it as tmac's the only reason rox are still hanging in by the 4th quarter.

you would rather have kobe or lebron over tmac, who wouldn't but its not possible.

you have manu over tmac, well, manu will get more points, he will step it up, but the overall contribution of manu? One thing for sure is that, manu will not have a duncan to past the ball to in the post, a parker that will penetrate along with him or handle the ball, a finley/barry to replace him for 15-20min to keep him fresh for the final quarter.

And you will have to see more of rafer alston/ bjax and head......