Ok so do we give Tmac another year, or shop him this summer?

Well obviously with his 20 million dollar salary, the rockets cant bring any worthy players.

It didnt take boston much rebuilding to aim for championship, just good management. Trade tmac for worthy stuff. Teams will fall for this trap .

Find players which can be built upon long term. Trade tmac for "weaker" players with draft picks.

Its not like the rockets are going anywhere with the number 1 loser in the world leading the team.

Only several years with the rockets and already managed on too many negative records.

 

Boston capitalised on Minnesota's mistake. NOT good Management. Which negative records are you talking about by the way? Last time I checked we got winning seasons.

IF you look at the West noone has made it out of the Western Conference Finals really against the Spurs and thats it. All the contenders, Dallas, Suns and Utah. Everyone has struggled against them, whether they met in the first round or the WCF. I don't think it really matters. I'd say its a reach to say that if Yao was healthy Mcgrady wouldn't be playing like this and our team would be on its way to the second round now.

 

You want to go with long term projects to pair with a 28/29 year old center who's becoming injury prone? The fact is, unless you're giving up on Yao Ming, you have to put another winner around him, right now. If you don't want T-Mac, you have to get a guy like a Kobe or a LeBron or someone who can fill that wing spot yet is talented enough to lead this team in the occasional absence of Yao Ming.

Don't forget that Yao has also missed a lot of time the last 3 seasons. One season we didn't make the playoffs becasue both were injured. One season he was rusty from injury in the playoffs and we lost. And this season he's been out for a good while and he's missing the entire playoffs.

You can switch anyone out with McGrady and we're still not going anywhere UNLESS YAO MING IS HEALTHY. Yes McGrady has deficiencies, but who can you get that will be a better fit? It's not easy.

Yao Ming can't lead from the bench in a suit, after all. He's got to be playing.

 

1: If you were to look at the current situation T-mac is under tremendous pressure, he has to carry the offense nearly all by himself each night without Yao, Rafer was injured and B-Jax wasn't playing well, and our rookies while outstanding are still at the end of the day rookies. He's done more than we've expected this season with how the team has gone in his leadership after Yao got injured. Regarding FT's the whole team isn't shooting them well not just him.

4: I mean he is still in his prime years so it doesn't really matter if he fail to be an All-star player after he is 30, we need him to fire now
we only traded for Battier because we wanted to win now instead of waiting for T-mac to be 32 and Rudy Gay developed.

 

After the all-star break, we had what was considered by many to be the easiest schedule. In addition, a few of the better teams we played were missing players (lakers, mavericks, hornets). Also, with his past few weeks of subpar playing, the other rockets stepped up.

I believe that there are quite a few players that could have taken our injury depleted team to the playoffs.

Players that we could replace McGrady with and still go to the playoffs?

Brandon Roy, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Carmelo, Baron Davis, Paul Pierce, Michael Redd, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis, Iguodala, Manu, and Ray Allen.

All these guys can score, get rebounds, and set up the offense.

It wont be hard to get rid of him. We just have to look at his value objectively. He's not worth what most people think he is. I havent looked at salaries, but it would be nice if we could get something along the lines of iguodala and dalembert.

 

Uh...were you even watching the games? He continually disappears or has mental lapses in the 4th. Other players stepped up big. It wasnt mcgrady all by himself.

Being the "leader" of the team, he should take it upon himself to improve his free throws. Maybe if he shows some work ethic, his teammates will follow suit.

Too bad he's possibly the laziest "star" in the league.

Sorry bud, but the last year of Tmac's prime was 2004. Its pretty much a free fall right now.

 

I feel we've got a really nice line-up of role players already. All-Stars T-Mac and Yao will be excellent in gelling the team up.

I don't want to trade T-Mac for even more role-players. The team needs at least a couple of All-Stars to work. Look at Boston(Allen, Garnett, Pierce), LA Lakers(Kobe and Gasol). So if we can get a quality PG like Jose Calderon then we'll be a true championship contender, if we aren't already now.

 

We need to get rid of luther head, chuck hayes, mike harris, dikembe, and possibly novak.

 

I am not going to read the whole thread and I don't intend to do so.

I am sure this has already been said a thousand times in different threads besides this one, but I'd like to repeat it again.

I am tired of people always complaining about T-mac. I am also tired of T-mac pulling some lame ass excuses out of his ass. Both things have now reached extreme levels of annoyance. I know this is a message board (as I am expecting someone will say) and I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion. However, don't many of you all get tired of complaining about the same dam thing, time after time after time? How many dead horses do you all continually beat?

We all need to see the BIG picture, T-mac is what he is; He is a pansy that cries about shouldering the load. Is the blame a bit excessive? Yes it is. Regardless, he is the leader of this team and it is only natural that we blame the head honcho for the mistakes of a whole team. I do believe though, that some in this message board are taking it to extreme levels, at times making me think that many of you all need therapy.

I love this Rockets team and I have always believed in this team. I sorely think this message board lacks faith. Are we realists? No, I don't believe so. Many of you all place some inexplicable high expectations for a team which is wounded. We don't have our star center. Our point guard was injured for two games. Our starting SF has a leg bruise which has been bothering him before the playoffs even started. Our young rookie PF had lost his explosion during the knee injury. Relying on two rookies to carry the load in the frontline is quite a big deal to ask especially against such a physical team.

My heart has always believed the Rockets would win the championship even without Yao, but my realistic thoughts allowed me not to expect much from this team. It frustrates me to lose, it really does which is the reason I throw fits after games. I think this message board though, has been a bit extreme a just hoping for unrealistic things to happen in the offseason.

I feel bad for T-mac, I really do. He does play to the best of his abilities in the playoffs but unfortunately something ALWAYS goes bad. I feel as if he have angered the basketball Gods. Who could ever forget Finley being out of bounds, but saving the ball therefore changing the momentum of the series? Or what about last year, and the Rockets inability to get a rebound in the final moments due to an awkard bounce? Or how about just yesterday and Korver and Battier's tie up being called an intentional foul?

Bad luck just seems to roll with the Rockets and it's depressing. I hope we fight through it though and we come back like a roaring lion in the next game. I do believe we have the ability to win this series because the Rockets have faced so much adversity throughout the season (hell even the years) yet we have overcome.

Lets unite Houston Rockets fans. If it's one time the Rockets need us to unite as fans, it is now. They need our prayers and our support more than ever, and we should not bash, but accept the deficiencies of our players and praise their talents. I am excited for game 5 and I for one have not lost hope nor faith.

 

1. ok, there may be some pressure, but shouldn't he be able to handle it? examples that his leadership is not what you expect.

(1) blames the coach.
(2) boozer story, comes in an hour and a half early, shoots 100 free throws. tracy? doubt he would even do that, if he missed 0-10 (which is more likely than him hitting 10-10). if tracy did that, wouldn't you think, some of those hard working players, like scola, landry, also come in and join?

4. his prime years? u kiddin me? he is in his post prime years. his prime years was orlando. his post prime years started as soon as the dallas series was over.

 

Calderon + Kapono + Nesterovic for T-Mac + 1st rounder? After Calderon signs his new contract the salaries would probably work. Shooting Passing PG + Shooter + Backup C with expiring contract. Then Jackson + Francis + Head + 1st rounder for Richard Jefferson.

Calderon/Alston/Brooks
Jefferson/Kapono
Battier/Harris/Novak
Landry/Scola/Hayes
Yao/Nesterovic/Mutombo

 

I'm sure we'll get many threads over this subject during the off season, but who can answer a question like this without knowing exactly who the Rockets could get in return.

 

I agree with roflmcwaffles only way you trade T-Mac is if you are getting a wingman to take his position, a playmaker pg who can shoot. Even then we are still lacking in talent.

If we can somehow pickup Mike Miller this offseason, get Yao back healthy, and develop Landry/Scola, keep T-Mac, we'll be ready to go next season.

If T-Mac gets injured, or if Yao gets injured, the whole thing is broken again. It's a tough cycle with two injury prone stars...

 

The team did ok without him for a stretch this season. If he was traded in return for two good players that would eliminate Head and/or Jackson from the rotation or provide a solid replacement for Deke then this team could be very, very good with Yao back.

We need to understand that not playing defense, shooting a poor percentage and being tired in the 4th quarter in nearly every playoff game he plays is going to be the norm for the rest of his time as a Rocket. I would prefer to eliminate some of our poor players from the rotation and have a few more guys who play tough, hard and energetic in big games. Trading McGrady can do that.

 

What Happened to this T-Mac or was it all smoke and lies?​

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I think he really needs to go..if we could trade him for 2 solid and contributing players that fits our needs and system...maybe in the draft...who knows, a healthy Francis comeback would rejuvinate this team..

 

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let's trade tmac for carmelo. i'm sure denver and george karl are ready.

 

Sometimes I just wanna drop TMAC like this:

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in addition to that, this team really needs players with swagger, physicality and the drive to compete playin bball..

 

unless you get another borderline superstar back + one good player, this team is not gonna go anywhere. yao is not ready nor has he ever been a first option type of player. he has too many weaknesses and teams can take him away so easily.

this is not realistic but these trades would improve us:
trading tmac for artest + martin
trading tmac for deng, hinrich + one of their bigs
trading tmac for odom, farmar + pick

if we trade tmac, we will really need to go to a balanced type of offense. i just don't see yao ever becoming a great 1st option. that's why all those trades will give us either a legit scorer (martin), banger (artest), athleticism/young (deng), or a great faciiltator (odom).

again, if i trade tmac, i want to get younger, more athletic, longer, and quicker. that will go along with our other young players in brooks and landry.

our future is bright b/c of landry and brooks. we need to start thinking about the future right now even if tmac and yao stay here for the next few yrs.