Ok so do we give Tmac another year, or shop him this summer?

Lets just hope Yao can stay healthy and help him in the playoffs next yr.

YAO is the reason we wont get past the first round again.

 

We all know that we cant get a fair return for TMac so there is no point to even shop him.

And...are we trading Yao if he gets injured again next season ?

 

I got nothin against Tmac, but if we can get reasonable value... ship him. Straight up for Melo - done deal. Couple pieces from Chicago - cool. The dude's just fallin apart. Heart, decision making, drive, whatever... those can all be debated. Bottom line is, he's on the downslide... trade him now and get something or risk another Sura situation for the last 2 years of his contract.

I don't believe anyone on our team falls into the untouchable category. Yao is the closest... but c'mon IF Suns offered Amare and Nash for Yao and Rafer... Kobe and Bynum for Yao and Head? Dwight Howard plus blah blah blah....

That said, I'd like to hold onto Yao, Battier, Scola, Landry, and Brooks.... beyond those guys, i'd say anyone else is in play.

 

FIXED.

FACTS: Tmac and Yao often injured. Yao gets serious injuries. Tmac has never missed a playoff series.

Tmac outplayed Yao in the mavs series. Tmac outplayed Yao in the Jazz series.

Head has been a complete NO-SHOW this year and last year.
Novak = wasted roster spot
Harris = goodbye
Mutombo = thank you very much. see you later


The Yao and Tmac show gets one more year.

First bring in Elton Brand !!!

Second bring in a legit 2 guard (Matt Barnes)

Third bring in a back up center.


Out of Yao or Tmac...whoever misses more games next year is gone!!!

 

And WHY are we discussing this iSht before the series end?!? We're still in it! STFU.

See... this is why I call you "DaDarkone"... talking about shopping CURRENT players when the season is not even over... F*CCK... stfu and cheer the Rockets on while we're still IN the freakin' season. STFU.

 

keep him and wait for a better opportunity. the problem we have is that our only player with size is out. we need somebody to cover for him. Scola just does not cut it, we need a power-foward and a guard who can work together.

we need a better back-up center than mutumbo. we need those f***ing rebounds!

 

Keep in mind that basketball is a business. Who generates more business...tmac or yao?

Not to mention... Who is more easily replaced...tmac or yao? who has shown more passion for the game? who has a better work ethic?

 

o great. i could care less about the business side. its all about winning rings.

tmac is easily replaceable ? i didnt realize that 6'8" swingmen grew on trees.

who is actually playing right now? look guys, Morey isnt trading either player this offseason

 

well if you want an owner that only cares about selling tickets and not winning playoff games thats on you. Missing 30+ games should be a factor!

 

Um, they kind of do... besides, what good is his height if he's only going to take shots from the parking lot?

 

I don't think the Rockets can get equal value back for T-Mac. On the other hand, if somebody undergoes a brain fart like the Memphis/LA deal and offers up something good I'd say go ahead and trade him.

 

Tmac being in the league for 11 years... played heavy minutes except for his first 2 years. So compare to other rookies that fresh out of college at 24, Tmac's body is not that "young" anymore.

 

Denver and Phoenix have a full roster with no injuries and argueably 2 superstars at some point in their prime (amare/downside of nash and Melo/AI)

 

good lord people are tired of watching tmac lose so they would rather watch us lose with AI and carmelo, the too must frustrating players to watch in the nba?

no thanks.

 

To the people that want to trade tmac....listen and listen closely..

watch how the jazz gaurded tmac in the 4rth quarter. He had harping, kerilinko, Brewer, and korver on him and on top of that had a boozer or okur double team waiting for him....but he still scored 21.

What I don't get is that all you guys want to see is him go off for 30 every night, but what you don't realize is that it is a very hard thing to do when you have several defenses and at some points 5 guys on you. Maybe its Yao's fault because some of those double teams would go to him, but common Tmac is not to blame.

1) he turned it on in the 3rd quarter
2) drove the lane
3) played injured
4) played hard
5) rebounded with intensity he ended up with 7+ rebounds and that last rebound that okur got...he came from the other side of the paint to try to get that
6) dished out 7+ assists

You guys want to trade him...you want him to go away...you want him to play like Kobe and Lebron, but...

Lebron is playing against the washington wizards and is up 2-1 and playing in the eastern conference

Kobe is playing with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and a soon to return Bynum, and all star coach, and gets almost every call he desires.

Tmac well plays in the western conference, without his starting center, played 2 playoff games without his starting PG, played a ridiculous amount of minutes so far in playoffs, and still has the nerve to only put up 21 points.

Maybe we should be mad at Tmac or maybe we should be mad at the entire team...just a thought think about it

 

Do people really think ANYONE on a team that is constantly losing in the 1st round is untouchable. I understand alot of people love Yao and alot of people love tmac but come on you can't be that blind. They are both veteran players who haven't been getting the job done.

They are both good players but honestly NEITHER of them are atheletic or agressive enough to score whenever they want to. That's the biggest difference between them and other stars. Look at Kobe, Amare, Lebron, Melo, Dwight, Duncan etc. All of those guys can go down the court iso and get whatever they want. Our 6-8 star SG generally shoots 43% and our 7-6 star center generally shoots 52% they both take jumpshots as their go to plays.

The problem is everyone in the NBA knows this. Our only hope is to try and upgrade around them. Trading either of them would begin a rebuilding process especially since NEITHER of them are really young. By the time a young guy develops around Yao he'll be already be declining, same goes for tmac who is already declining.

 

I think we need to shop Yao at this point.

 

He needs to go - making superstar money and he no longer is one. I'd love to trade him for one of the top two picks, assuming that picks nets us Rose. Point guard has replaced big men as the most important position in today's NBA.

 

We can't shop Yao...he provides this team with unimaginable marketability and is one of the most diminant centers of all time.

We can't shop Tmac because if you look back on it....A team with yao but no tmac has been disastrous on our record. A team with Tmac without yao....isn't that bad. We won't get equal value.

What we need is a guy who is a proven star that can score and compliment these guys.

I'm sorry guys but you don't understand a thing about how basketball business works. Trading either one of these guys is basketball failure. Rick Adelman would soon be fired because that new team couldn't win. Daryle Morey would be mocked on this forums. Yao's prime would go to waste. It is hard to get any unequal value. There is a reason why the Lakers wanted to keep Kobe so bad that they actively called every team in the league with trade offers. You will never ever get equal value for a superstar. PERIOD. and it would be stupid basketball talent wise because Tmac and Yao are just fine together

 

Please take off your rose colored Rocket red glasses and ask yourself the following questions. Try to forget that you root for the guy and and that you wish he would succeed. I think that if you answer the questions without any bias, you would want to trade him as soon as you get the chance.

Question #1 Is Tracy worth the money he is getting?
Tracy is ranked 11th in NBA salaries. Next year his salary will be $21,126,874. His stats are higher than the league average, but nowhere near the league leaders. In fact, this year his stats are very similar to Jamal Crawfords, who makes 38% of what Tracy makes. Does Tracy produce enough to warrant that kind of money? Here are the 2008/2009 salaries of various players.

TMac $21,126,874
Lebron James $14,410,581
Carmelo Anthony $14,410,581
Chauncey Billups $11,050,000
Dwyane Wade $14,410,581
Chris Paul $4,574,189
Dwight Howard $13,041,250
Steve Nash $12,250,000
Brandon Roy $3,084,240
Ron Artest $8,450,000
Tony Parker $11,550,000
Emanuel Ginobili $9,900,000
Chris Bosh $14,410,581
Carlos Boozer $11,593,817
Deron Williams $5,069,448
Gilbert Arenas $12,800,000

Question #2 Is Tracy going to get better next year, stay the same, or get worse?
All his stats indicate that he will only get worse. He has been on a gradual decline over the past 5 years. When you compare his rebounds, steals, blocks, points, fg%, ft% to what he averaged in the Orlando years and follow the trend, it indicates that he will perform worse next year compared to this year. Also, if you take into consideration how much a 12-year players production drops compared to 11 year player, Tmac’s stats will drop significantly within the next 2 years.

Question #3 Is Tracy going to be injured a lot next year?
Next year will be Tracy’s 12th NBA season. This is about the time that NBA players who have been relatively injury free start to develop various injuries. This is the time where the long NBA schedules, the practices and the constant conditioning start to take their toll on the body. Considering that Tracy has had a long list of injuries during his career, odds are that he will be injured more often and will miss more games than in previous years.

Question #4 Does Tracy give you that edge to advance far into the playoffs?
I’m not even going to answer this one.