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Oil, Part III

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, May 4, 2007.

  1. Lil Pun

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    With two tropical systems in or approaching the Gulf, what are the chances we see a rise in oil?
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    This doesn't have to do with oil specifically but since I can't start new theads again yet I'm posting this here. If someone else is willing to help out a rookie please start another thread.

    http://realestate.msn.com/Buying/Article_forbes.aspx?cp-documentid=5289041&GT1=10341

    Houston Ranks at the Top of the Nations most Expensive Commute

    From Forbes

    Nation's most expensive commutes siphon 20% of income
    Getting to work costs the most in Houston, Cleveland and Detroit. But the numbers change when you factor in the price of housing.

    By Matt Woolsey, Forbes.com

    It's often said that the trip to work can kill you. But if you live in Houston, what really takes a beating is your wallet.

    There, the average commuter spends 20.9% of his annual household costs on getting to work.


    He's not alone. Cleveland, Detroit, Tampa, Fla., Kansas City, Mo., and Cincinnati also landed on our list of the country's biggest cities where transportation eats up a fifth or more of household costs. The study, by nonprofit research firm Surface Transportation Policy Partnership (STPP), draws on 2003 Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the most recent available. The study looked at annual transit costs such as gas, tolls and public-transit fare, as well as money spent on car payments and maintenance.

    Robert Puentes, a metropolitan policy fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., says, "In Houston, the cost of transportation is the No. 1 household expense, above shelter."

    But that's in part because Houstonians spend a lower than average proportion of their take-home pay on housing.

    And that's the trade-off.


    The percentage of household income Houstonians spend on transportation may be the highest in the country, but when combined with the amount residents spend on housing expenses, Houston's aggregate cost ranks them 14th, with the composite cost equaling 52% of household income.

    Transit costs are high because Houston has few policies hindering sprawl, which in turn allows for cheaper housing. In San Francisco, which is much denser and has more prohibitive zoning laws than Houston, residents rank 22nd in commute costs but fifth in the combination of housing and transportation.

    Worst hit by the composite ranking were the residents of Tampa and Miami, where housing and transportation costs were the most out of sync with the average household's income levels. Tampa residents spent 57.7%, while Miami denizens spent 57.5% of their take-home pay on the two.

    Number crunching

    The study also found a very high correlation between cities that had extensive train systems and those in which households spent the least on transportation costs. Four of the five cheapest commutes were rated as having large or extensive rail systems, and of the five most expensive commutes, only Cleveland was rated above having a small or non-existent rail system, according to STPP.

    Besides saving commuters money on parking, tolls and gas, rail systems are seen as a way to manage sprawl: Train stations create central and desirable points for living and working.

    It's important to understand, though, that the least costly commutes tend to be accompanied by high housing costs. New York and San Francisco had among the cheapest commutes in the country, at Nos. 2 and 7, respectively, and have some of the highest housing expenses in the nation.

    Traffic in Texas

    That's what's happening in Dallas. It and Houston have 15% of the country's fastest-growing suburbs between them. Dallas is investing $4.86 billion to expand its commuter rail system, Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART), which services area suburbs and neighboring Fort Worth. The job is expected to be completed in 2013, and local economists say the city should reap $8.1 billion in increased economic activity over the life of the project. Houston, on the other hand, mainly has focused on road construction and expansion, which isn't expected to pay off as well.

    "To say DART Rail's impact has been substantial for the Dallas region's economy would be an understatement," says Bernard Weinstein, an economist at the University of North Texas Center for Economic Development. "It's a trend that's impossible to miss; the local business community certainly hasn't."
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    I'm glad those damn speculators are eating it after news that Dean will likely miss the refineries. Even though it'll take more than a slight burn to keep these jackals away.
     
  4. thelasik

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    It really is a shame that Houston does not have a decent rail system.
     
  5. MadMax

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    it will happen.

    it's a huge challenge in a city as big geographically as houston has...with no real central business district where the overwhelming majority of commuters are headed each morning.
     
  6. insane man

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    so $88 dollars guys...
     
  7. MadMax

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    more proof that i still don't know what the hell i'm talking about! :D

    I'm in good company, though:

    http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/N...CQDJON200710161023DOWJONESDJONLINE000408.htm&

    "While the organization (OPEC) does not favor oil prices at this level, it strongly believes that fundamentals are not supporting current high prices and that the market is very well supplied," El-Badri said in a statement
     
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  8. insane man

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    because prices in the last two months were so significantly lower that its understandable that they would rise an equally significant way.
     
  9. MadMax

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    ok..now i really don't get it. oil is now flowing freely from this region...despite being hampered earlier....

    but the price of futures should go UP???

    help me
     
  10. insane man

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    sorry i only quoted part of it. the point was that due to turkey talking about possible incursions into kurd territory of northern iraq, there is concern about that supply being killed. however my objection is that since that supply only recently came on the market, why didn't the price reflect that and decrease?

    basically it seems that speculators will raise prices for any reason but won't decrease prices for the equally opposite reasons.
     
  11. MadMax

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    this is all i'm saying! :) OPEC and the CEO's for Shell and Exxon say, "supply isn't a concern...the fundamentals don't support prices this high." and the market does nothing.

    a meterologist gives a forecast that he anticipates there will be some hurricanes next summer and the price jumps up instantly.

    that's why i keep saying "bubble." but then i always say, "but i'm not an expert." ;)
     
  12. RocketMan Tex

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    Not in my lifetime it won't.

    It won't happen until power is taken away from the Real Estate developers, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
     
  13. F.D. Khan

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    Scoreboard.
     
  14. MadMax

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    Blast from the past!!! :) Way back to 2007!! ;)
     

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