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OIG Report on Comey

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tallanvor, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. JuanValdez

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    I agree. Though an ordinary president would follow some bureaucratic procedure to consider all the implications of declassifying something and making sure they do so in a formal and controlled way. The president can willy-nilly "declassify" something by saying it aloud, but it's a pretty negligent approach.

    I just mean so far as Mueller knows. There could always be acts that obstruct his investigation that he never learns about. That's just one of those mutually-exclusive-collectively-exhaustive things you do to make sure you're considering all scenarios. I'm not trying to insinuate anything.

    We know that he would know that to fire him directly would put the country in a tizzy. He wanted the plausible deniability of hiding behind someone else. And, had it suceeded it absolutely would have been the end of any DOJ investigation. He might have had someone appoint a loyal soldier to that office with orders to find no malfeasance.

    As has been pointed out to you many times, the relevant official authority would be Mueller's Report, and he said at the outset that he would not make any accusations because a sitting president cannot be indicted. Nevertheless he goes on to describe almost a dozen instances of obstruction.

    We all know this stuff already, but thanks for the opportunity to rehash it all again just to remind everybody what a scumbag our President is and how nevertheless Congress will not execute their responsibility to impeach.
     
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  2. Colt45

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    From the article that tallanvor obviously didn't read:

    "There’s no question that the president has broad authority to declassify almost anything at any time without any process, but that’s not what happened here," said Stephen I. Vladeck, professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "He did not, in fact, declassify the information he shared with the Russians, which is why the Washington Post did not publish that information."

    Instead, Vladeck said, Trump "took it upon himself to authorize officials from a foreign government to receive classified national security information that was itself derived from a different foreign government’s intelligence gathering. That’s just not the same thing as what Sen. Risch described, and the law on this topic is far murkier."

    Still waiting on an answer to which law Comey broke.
     
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  3. tallanvor

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    goes through channels you consider improper to fire Mueller: obstruction
    goes through channels your consider proper: obstruction

    If Trump felt Mueller was conflicted and being unfair, how should he of handled it?

    Also, the person who would pick Mueller's replacement would be Rosenstein. You know, the guy who picked Mueller in the first place. Are you claiming hes some Trump stooge?

    official authority was Barr and Rosenstein. They both said there is now way this is close to obstruction. Are you saying they are both Trump stooges?

    I did read it. what you posted didn't contradict what i said.
     
  4. dobro1229

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    So.... Comey leaking "Sensitive Investigative Information" = Bad.....Hang him

    but

    Trump GIVING away Classified intelligence (which might or not have later on been declassified.. no word on whether he later declassified FYI) to the Russians who want to destroy our Democracy & invade our NATO allies = Good... President for Life!


    Question: Do you realize you are a hypocritical and highly unpatriotic piece of S$%$? If you believe the above, and you obviously do, you really are un-American, and should go back to where you came from (Mother Russia).
     
  5. tallanvor

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    committing a crime = you should be prosecuted like others who commit the crime (Snowden)
    not committing a crime = you shouldn't be prosecuted

    The president choosing to declassify something on the spot in a meeting with Russia is his prerogative.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    Yep.... you suck. Go move to Russia Comrad. I don't EVER want to hear you blab on about patriotism in the future.

    Also - Trump's own DOJ in NOT prosecuting Comey because he did not commit a crime. He violated POLICY... POLICY... POLICY.... Good lord are you slow in the head.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    Strong argument as usual. Ill just assume you had no idea the president could declassify anything he wants and this is your mature way of responding to this realization.
     
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  8. dobro1229

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    Do I really have to say more?
     
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    The president can. But he didn't prior to giving it away. Do you think it is a good idea for the President to give away instantaneously declassify information and give it to our foreign adversaries?
     
  10. tallanvor

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    depends what he gave away obviously.
     
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    So which classified information are you okay with the President giving away to our foreign adversaries?
     
  12. JuanValdez

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    I have yet to hear a reason that doesn't sound like total bs. When your reason is bs, the channel doesn't matter.

    Rosenstein was himself on the verge of getting canned for appointing Mueller in the first place, and was allowed to later leave quietly. I doubt he'd be allowed to pick a replacement.

    I'm not aware of any statement from Rosenstein. Barr is definitely a Trump stooge. Your "official authority" are guys appointed by Trump. Barr auditioned for the job by making arguments about why Trump isn't guilty.

    Honestly, the real authority is the House and Senate. You have a stronger argument saying their refusal to impeach is their tacit approval. I would tell you its a fundamental design failure of the Constitution, but I cannot deny that Congress knows what I know and more and don't feel compelled to do anything about it.
     
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    and the only recourse is impeachment.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    Mueller is long time friends with Comey. you just claimed Mueller was investigating if it was obstruction to fire Comey.

    If you were accused of killing a dude and the investigator was long time friends with the guy you allegedly killed , would you be cool with it? no. you'd have your lawyer get on it.


    based on what are you making this claim? report from anonymous sources? Also he didn't fire Rosenstien so it sounds like you are wrong.


    Barr and Rosenstien reached the decision together. my 'official authority' is the guy you claim trump was about to fire (whatever that means)......
     
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    Bret Bart says this is a deep steak conspiracy.
     
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  16. JuanValdez

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    You think Mueller and Comey being friends is a conflict of interest, but the AG excusing the president who just appointed him is not.
     
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  17. tallanvor

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    of course. this is the way of pretty much every state and federal government. the AG investigating is hired by the governor/president . I thought we just talked about Rosenstien not doing trumps bidding and being 'on the verge of firing him'
     
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    Mueller's report laid out evidence of obstruction of justice and also laid out the criteria it would take to meet the legal requirements of obstruction of justice.

    What evidence from the report do you feel was compromised because of a friendship with Comey and how did a friendship compromise that part of the evidence? Which of the legal requirements of obstruction of justice was not met?

    Do you feel that some of the requirements were met but only because of the friendship between Comey and Mueller?
     
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    Tallanvor got called into his bosses office and written up for violating company policy -- no more posting on Clutchfans during work hours.
     
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    If he doesn't get in trouble then no big deal. Same thing for drumph. If the big russia investigation was lawfully began then thats cool too. Everyone just seems to jump on a side depending on their political affiliation.
     

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