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"Oh, he's a monster...."

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Plowman, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. T for 3

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    I think Devo earned a shot. that's who I was going to suggest....I am not willing to let giles get beat up. not this year.
     
  2. Houstunna

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    Baserunners 100% of appearances

    When he's "on", he rarely throws a perfect inning. Explains why his "not on" happens so frequently.
     
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    I know. It doesn't make sense. And yet 9th inning guys have historically underperformed in other situations.

    This bullpen is highly a work in progress. Gregerson imploded severely on Saturday. Harris was not up for the challenge of closing. Devenski has been amazing, but he's also valuable in long relief. Giles has to do his job for any of this to work.
     
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    good pitchers get outs....and limit base runners regardless of situation. Devo needs a shot.
     
  5. Nick

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    Like I said, these things do happen organically.

    You start monkeying around and shuffling a bullpen after every single adverse outcome, and guys aren't going to respond.

    Set roles get defined pretty quickly (as per player preference).. but its going to take more than 1.5 weeks to demote Gregerson and Giles to siberia, and have Devo throw in 150 games.

    Feliz, Sipp, Gustave, and Peacock are all going to need usage as well.
     
  6. T for 3

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    you act like this is the first time giles has had this issue? It's not "monkeying around" to demote a guy who has already been demoted once, and has been consistently unreliable. I'm not saying shift around the whole pen. I'm saying Giles should be demoted. If we loose the next 13 inning game as a result, so be it.
     
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    You act like Giles has been horrible every single appearance as an Astro.

    He actually didn't lose the closer job last year. He never had it till mid to late season, when he was at one point, the only guy in the bullpen getting consistent k's and not slumping.

    He had a horrible April last year. Was slow out of the gate mentally and mechanically. Things did improve. Things should continue to improve.

    But if Devo runs away with the job, even better. As it is, he's going to be underutilized if he can't pitch unless it's a late inning tie game.
     
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    In order for Devo to run away with the job, he needs a shot at the job. Can we agree on that?
     
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    Sure. But if he never gets to that organic ascension, it's a very good problem to have.

    Now that Devo should be recovered from Sunday's 4 innings, will be interesting to see if Hinch goes to him in the 6th if they have a lead. He should literally try and pitch almost 2 high leverage innings per appearance.
     
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    Haha. cool. So when does it become "organically acceptable" ? 1 more poor outing? two?. I'm not really sure how much more organic you can get than going away from a guy who is struggling......
     
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    I'd say at least when this team, and staff, has faced more than just one team thus far.

    Tonight is game 7 of their epic Mariners-fest to start the year.
     
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    i'm fine with that. But, I've got the hook around his neck.
     
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    Something tells me you'll have it waiting even if he goes on a month+ run of quality outings, as he did last year...
     
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    especially if we are in contention, which I expect we will be!
     

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