Smells like somebody (Boras) is trying to up the bidding...I hope we just don't fall into a money trap...aka Texas Rangers
I don't think anybody knows the real astros offer... and that's just what Pupura, McLane, and maybe even Beltran want.
It would be GREAT if Beltran signed w/ the 'Stros Christmans Day! That would jsut be awsome BUT of course its wishfull thinking...
hmm if that's true..... that's one hell of a lot of money..... I'm not sure you can up that offer much more without breaking the bank for Beltran..... accept Beltran!
I wasn't trying to say one is more creditable than the other. I was just trying to clarify who it was that said it.
I had a dream last night that the Astros were getting SHELLED by the Reds 36-1 in the sixth. I don't know what this means for the Beltran race, but it wasn't pretty...
This can mean only one of 2 things #1. You can fortell the future & you should become some kinda sports god. & #2. Your thinkings about the 'Stros 24/7, kinda like me and alota other people in the thread are I dont know about your but ill pick option #2
Beltran is a very good player but he is not worth the contract that is being reported in the media. Drayton, JUST SAY NO TO BORAS!
offtopic but had a dream where rodman was on our team and no one knew he was until he grabbed his 3rd rebound of the game for the rockets......but he was in a bulls jersey so take that for what it's worth
The article says he broke down the tax differences between the two states etc.. does anyone have any idea how much money you would save wih the tax differences.. plus cost of living etc... Is it reasonable to assume say a 90 mil contract in Houston is as valuable as a 100 mil contract in new york?
I am sure that I am in the minority, but I am hoping that Carlos Beltran turns down the 6 year $ 96 million deal and goes to NY. Carlos had one good postseason. That's it!! Last year, he batted .267 and had a career high 38 homers. I agree that he has a lot of upside. However, for a team like the Astros, $ 16 million a year is a lot to pay for "upside." We should invest that money towards plugging two or three holes on the team instead of putting it towards one guy.
The 6/96mil sounds right...the NY POst had an article today about the Yanks-Beltran meeting and in it, Boras said something to the extent that he wasn't even listening to less than 7yrs/115 mil...so if thats the case, the Astros are really right there as far as per year salary goes. Then again he said he was starting talks at 10/200 so who knows.
Everybody who's proposing investing all that money in different players... name the guys you're thinking of, and the dollar figures you plan on talking with them. If this team does not get Beltran, do not expect them to invest all that $16 million in somebody else... they'll get other players, but they're not going to go crazy. This is a one-time splurge only for the name Carlos Beltran. Drayton loves him, major league baseball loves him, and the city loves him. Even though he had "only one good playoffs"... do you realize that in a sport that's as random, and difficult, as baseball. "one playoffs" could make/break a career. This team had never seen any success at that stage, and he was doing things that NOBODY had ever done in post-season play. Granted, it sucks that this is probably the only reason why he's going to get more money than players who might be better than him (Pujols, Guerrero)... but also, keep in mind that the Astros probably let him go if he doesn't have that magical postseason. They saw how much of a difference one guy can make... and on this team which sorely needs a fast CF, team-speed on the basepaths, and a lefty (switch hitter) at the plate... he's a perfect fit.
I'm not sure about the tax issue, but the cost of living alone would make those numbers close. Last I saw, out of the 25 biggest cities in America, Houston ranked around 24th in cost of living expenses while New York was #2 behind San Francisco.
Upside? The man is a bonafide freaking star player. I'm going to say it again, if you use batting average to determine the primary value of a player, you are living in the stone age. Here are Carlos Beltran's last 4 years OPS(OBP plus SLG=OPS) 2001: .876 2002: .841 2003: .911 2004: .915 Anything above .800 is a good hitter, and .900/1000=very good/great hitter. Now add in the gold glove defense, and the baserunning. You have a superstar talent playing in CF, who has remained relatively healthy over his career. He is not being paid on upside, the man is a franchise talent. And secondly, I've already proven multiple times with raises for Berkman and Oswalt included that the Astros can afford a salary of 15-16 mil a year for Beltran now and in the future. I think this is hilarious. The Astros get a player that every team in major league baseball dreams of having, and are willing to pay him a reasonable amount to stay with the club, yet fans whine that it's too much money. Except every other offseason, it's those fans whining that the Astros aren't spending any money/McLane sucks. Drayton can't win period, apparently. Getting an elite CF is something a lot of teams would kill for(it's rare), and the Astros are now in prime position to do just that, at a figure they can afford. This is a relative no brainer. You can tell when a player is "special" if you follow sports enough. Carlos Beltran is one of those players. He is the kind of player that has the ability to carry the club to a WS over his career, and that is everyone here's goal isn't it? I applaud Drayton McClane for stepping up to the plate this offseason and handling Scott Boras on his terms, and showing the fanbase that he is serious about winning because Carlos Beltran is the player available that best allows the club to do just that. It's just funny how he's damned if he does/damned if he doesn't.
There is a new article on the Astros and Beltran on ESPN Insider ... Anyone have an account and care to give us the gist?
