Overall, his numbers in his last five full games, have been very good - and that includes an awful game v Seattle dragging them down a few ticks. So he sounds like.... literally every QB who's ever played the game? Seriously, WTF are your standards, exactly? Ever given any serious thought to the idea that *you're* the problem? Do you think Josh Allen is an elite QB? Because he is the very definition of flash throws + bad decisions in every game. It's laughable (telling?) you'd throw Dak Prescott into a) a group with mediocre QBs; b) in the "game manager" pile. Dak Prescott is significantly better than Goff and (LOL) Cousins, and has been playing QB better than almost anybody these past several weeks.
Goff and Dak are virtually identical. Dak has the best WR core in the league. They’re elite game managers. And of course you cherry pick the game where CJ has half of the stats you posted in one game. Yes. Josh Allen is elite. There is no debate about that. He is on another level than CJ will ever get. That’s with one of the worst WR groups in the NFL.
So? Are we discounting him playing the 3rd (Seahawks), 4th (Rams), 5th (Broncos) and 6th (Jags) best defenses by total EPA?
Even by your logic, if CJ right now at 24 is similar to Sam Darnold at 28, at a position where QBs continually get better and better with age, that tells you that he's someone worth keeping then. Where will CJ be when he's 28 and has got more experience? Also, JSN is having a career year that eclipses any season Nico has ever had. Their o-line is more experienced, their playcaller is more experienced. They have veteran WRs instead of 2 rookies like the Texans have.
His best performances have been against extremely weak and/or injured defenses. Yes, I expect the supposed superstar franchise QB to be good against good defenses.
CJ isn’t similar to Darnold. Darnold has outplayed him by a lot in the last 2 seasons. They’re similar in ability. We also have vet receivers that haven’t produced much, like Kupp. Kubiak has 3 seasons at OC under his belt, including this season. Nico is an elite receiver, JSN has this season only.
Dak QBR: 75.3 (leads NFL) Goff QBR: 57.7. You: they're virtually identical! And sure, we'll all just pretend St Brown, Williams and (when healthy) LaPorta is in inferior to the Cowboys receivers. OK... I didn't "cherry pick" one game. I took his last five full games. He wasn't good weeks 1-3 with a brand new system. Neither was Caley; neither was the OL. Everything has steadily gotten better. If it makes you feel better to live in a world where the first three games are more predictive than the next five games, enjoy your chosen delusion. Hang with Bills fans and see if they think Josh Allen somehow avoids dumb decision and bad passes. Heck, you watched the Bills-Texans game, at least - right?
But….im not advocating for moving on. CJ has shown flashes in the past. But at this point, he’s not been good for much longer than he was good. We have to see if he’s the guy, hopefully he shows he is the next handful of games
And his worst performances have come against elite defenses. Generally speaking, that's how it works. Great teams/players... they feast on the bad (of which, there are generally more) and break-even with the good. This formula has been in place for literally centuries. Again, you watched "elite" Josh Allen against our defense, right?...
Passer rating 110-102, yeah they’re similar. Goff has been better. Ceedee, Pickens and Ferguson have been elite. Yes, very much better than the Lions receiving core. Allen hasn’t performed against the Texans defense. That’s it. CJ hasn’t performed against most of the competition the past two seasons. They aren’t comparable. When one game is responsible for 33% of your total production, that means you aren’t very consistent
Yeah, I’ve also watched Allen carry teams against elite defenses. CJ doesn’t have that. He won’t ever have that. The fact you’re putting them in the same sentence is all that needs to be said about you tbh
Josh Allen is better than CJ Stroud. I've put them in the same sentence because both of them - and every other QB at any other level - has shown flashes and made dumb decisions. You seem to believe that's exclusively a CJ Stroud problem, and it isn't. Not by, like, millions of miles. Allen - who you deem elite (and I agree) - is proof of that. Allen has a career INT % of 2.4 (Stroud: 1.8). It was 2.9 through his first six seasons. He has two seasons of 3.1+. Josh Allen makes dumb decisions constantly. Your standard for Stroud is ridiculously high and unrealistic.
No; no one who watches football would agree. Pickens wasn't elite until... oh, yeah - that's right: he had Dak Prescott throwing to him. Dak has weapons - but to pretend Goff - who also has Gibbs, who is light years better than any Cowboys back - isn't also working with elite skills players is more of your delusion. He's lost to the Falcons and Dolphins. Wake me up when those two defenses join the "elite" crowd. And.... now you're cherry-picking. Every QB has a game where they inflate stats. But the Baltimore game is far from his only good game.
You’re making assumptions based on your opinion. No where have I said it’s only CJ or do I hold him to a higher standard than anyone else. In fact, it’s you and others, that cherry pick stats and hold him on a pedestal that he doesn’t belong on. Meanwhile, knocking QBs that are clearly outplaying him and have more natural talent. You’re comparing CJ to Allen, who is at worst the 2nd best QB in the league. With no debate. You knock Goff (who is probably the best case scenario for Stroud) when you would be gushing over CJ if he came close to the production Goff has had. Then you prop up Dak, who has basically the same season as Goff. You’re inconsistent at best. My standards for any QB are going to be the same. CJ hasn’t shown that he’s a top 5 or even top 10 guy in almost 2 full seasons.
You’d be better off making these logical arguments to a wall. You’re arguing with a dude that thought Will Levis was elite compared to Stroud.
No your delusion is thinking you know more than the stats say. Why are you propping up Dak over Goff? When one clearly has better numbers and the other has better skill positions? Pot/kettle thing with you? You accused Bobby of being racist about black QBs not being smart, when he literally didn’t say anything like that. But then go out of your way to prop up the black QB? Little suspicious there kettle.
You do all know regardless of what any of us think, he is going to get a bag from the McNair's. Whether you regard him as upper tier or a mid, there is no way the Texans are going to chance a new QB anytime in the near future unless someone wants to go full Browns GM on us and load up the bed of our draft pick truck. Even just a serviceable QB gets bank. It is what it is, and I don't have much of an opinion on him other than being a fan of the team. I have seen good I have seen bad, but it's what the McNair's think not any of us until we purchase the team. Is anyone on this board going to switch allegiance to a different team if he stays or goes. Hell, I'm in upstate NY and was for the shite years before he came to us. I would have already switch to Buffalo if it was ever going to happen. Hell, I supported the Oilers until Bud took his toy to a different city. You guys keep fighting, I'm sure it will change the outcome of games and the team's trajectory for the foreseeable future. GO TEXANS
