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Official VP Debate Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. peleincubus

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    The videos floating around on the internet net today with Pence saying Trump didn't say that with the videos right after quoting him saying it. I'm not sure what the point of following this crap if they are going to make a complete farce of it.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    Reviews coming in are extremely negative on Kaine. What a disaster that show was for him - certainly not a good look
     
  3. Rashmon

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    Word on the street is that Trump was so unhappy with Pence's performance in the debate thing that he may replace him for being so much better at it than Trump.

    DEVELOPING
     
  4. Cold Hard

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    VP debates (along with many other aspects of the VP) are largely pointless, unimportant and a waste of time. Last night's debate will be forgotten by tomorrow. We may as well get rid of VP debates.

    Pence is likely angling for a possible run in 4 years.
     
  5. rage

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    SS, despite of its problems, is still a good program. You can fix it.
    If you leave average American to save for their own retirement, they won't have enough to retire and then many will have to go on Welfare. You will face bigger problem that no one can solve.

    Only one example, you can look it up yourself.
    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/011216/average-retirement-savings-age-2016.asp
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    I assume Kaine went in with a good-for-the-goose-good-for-the-gander attitude. If Trump's gonna do it, we're gonna do it too. Kaine took a bullet for Clinton. He 'lost' the debate and made himself look worse, but took Trump with him.

    I find Pence's acceptance of the VP spot fascinating. He got a stage he would not have gotten had he just went into the primary as yet another Republican hopeful. When he accepted the spot, did he tell Trump, "okay I'll do it, but don't expect me to parrot all that ridiculous crap you spout"? And did Trump think that was a better option than one of his gimps, like Christie or Giuliani? They are obviously willing to hang themselves politically to bet on Trump. Pence is protecting and promoting his own brand at Trump's expense and will drop Trump as soon as he can (i.e. Nov 8). On the one hand, it's interesting to watch Pence try to thread the needle here and I wonder if he'll pull it off and make something of it come 2020. On the other hand, I have to wonder what Trump gets out of this pick.
     
  7. jsingles

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    I've been thinking the same thing. Almost every time I hear Pence or Kaine I have to think "which one is he with again?" Even in this thread.
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    Medicare/Medicaid are the more explosive government killing program than SS.

    Privatising SS would be weird as ****. On one hand, you have the Fed propping up the economy by pumping in trillions of dollars in new liquidity, with SS, retirees and pensioners sopping up T-bills as a safe investment. On the other, you have the same retirees liquidating those T-bills when it comes to term.

    With privatisation, the market would be more beholden to wealth funds, pension funds, hedge funds, and now the largest hedge fund of funds of them all in Social Security. The Fed would never raise rates until the aging Boomer class has bankrupted any future wealth and equity for everyone else.
     
  9. Deckard

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    It's rare for a VP debate to have any impact on a race. Even Senator Bentsen's evisceration of Potato Boy ("Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy." ) back in 1988 didn't really move the needle. Examination of what was actually said by Pence shows that he said one lie after another about Trump. I call it a draw. Pence on presentation and demeanor, Kaine on substance. Senator Kaine was a bit amped up at the beginning, which was distracting, and during the debate should have gone after Pence himself, and focused less on Trump. Pence is a raving radical of the Far-Right/"Pro-Life" wing of the GOP, and Kaine should have brought just how extreme Pence is to the attention of the American public (those watching).
     
  10. BigDog63

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    LOL...ya know, I can't really argue that that wouldn't happen....
     
  11. BigDog63

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    Don't disagree. It would be weird. What it wouldn't be is 'a risky scheme'. Not one single financial advisor out there tells their clients 'put your money in the government.' At best, it earns no interest. At worst...it isn't there at all.

    As for interest rates...they already can't raise them. Would balloon our deficit, and send us into a death spiral, as we went farther and farther into debt making payments on a rapidly increasing debt.

    I'm not really for privatizing SS...I just find that particular 'risky scheme' argument to be old, tired, and demonstrative of a complete lack of understanding of finance and investment, which is not a good thing for someone trying to talk about leading the economy.
     
  12. BigDog63

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    Do you disagree with his point? It was ironic, at the least, that right after Trump gets criticized roundly, and mostly by Democrats, for how much he interrupted, and how that wasn't going to play well with women, that Kaine comes right out and does it far more.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Yes, because arguing that Kaine was sexist towards Pence = YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
     
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    Here is the debate in a nutshell...

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    When asked to comment on why Trump was using an umbrella, Mike Pence said,

    "What umbrella? That's ridiculous. He wasn't using an umbrella."
     
  16. Invisible Fan

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    Seems like Hillary/Kaine's plan was to get them to either lie on camera or admit their ugliness that got them to where they are now.

    This is the video. It makes Pence like the boy who broke the neighbor's window and didn't want to get spanked in front of his friends.

     
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    Beautiful! I hope that ad's running. Haven't seen it yet.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Well at least in the debates, Pence looked Presidential over that sexist Kaine bully.
     
  19. BigDog63

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    How was anyone arguing that Kaine was sexist to Pence???
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Not sure but it would only be the 458,432nd stupidest argument lodged today by you and your fellow Trumpster Fire clownbros.
     

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