Evangelicals chose Trump to be their bully as they've felt persecuted and boxed in since the 70s. They felt they had nothing to lose going all in for him. After overturning Roe v Wade, I doubt they have regrets over the last 4 years, nor do they feel any need for self-introspection. The issue here still isn't about Trump's character, rather his current power. No one likes a loser, and finding a candidate that Murdoch, Lincoln Project "Moderates", and Never Trumpers can agree with is likely a better way to push further gains. But if Trump remains the candidate for 24, these discussions about morning after regrets by "non-deplorable" Trump supporters will remain moot.
I'm not a Christian but wanting your own bully doesn't seem very inline with a religion that teaches the meek shall inherit the Earth and to "turn the other cheek." Trump's character should've always been considered. This is the party that said "character is an issue" and there is no better argument for that than Trump. That Trump lost the Presidency, the Senate twice, several governorships, the House once and almost twice goes to the nature of Trump and his movement. It goes to backing candidates who aren't interested in principles of good governance or even Christian virtue. That Trump is now turning on Evangelicals and likely to spark a civil war in the party should've always been expected.
I've quoted a guy many times about them wanting their own sheriff even if they didn't like Trump's character. No one really cares about the Christian Right's perceived or actual loss in public standing. Many here would cheer for it. It's like they wanted their own enforcer to snap back at libs and atheists despite Trump being a godless, Clinton worshiping lib in the 90s. Their own Karl Malone... Like any good populist demagogue, Trump mixed that with the deteriorating middle class and middle America. That loss of standing morphed into a matter of survival and retaking the nation in order to save it. Turning the other cheek only goes so far. I won't go into the individual faith one has in their God, but faith in other groups or the other party made them skeptical that play would work. They didn't want Trump. Even the GOP establishment didn't want him until he won primaries state after state. Both wanted power and saw the alternative of a Hilary presidency. No one expected them to fall in line so quickly but again he had power and more importantly, he used it to get them consistent results. The GOP has long treated the Christian Right like the Dems with the Black vote. Good lip service, no substantial difference in return.
I don’t even know why his lawyers keep bringing his bullsh*t to court just wasting everybody’s time and looking like fools.
Again that is ends justifies the means and moral relativism that Evangelicals claim to hate. For a group of people that have built up their identity being self-righteous and moralizing to the rest of society shows how much actual dedication they have to principle. Sure they didn't want him initially that didn't stop them from idolizing him to the point of literally having a Golden Idol to him.
Koch network to oppose Trump in primary after sitting out recent cycles The return of one of the biggest spenders in American politics to the presidential primary field poses a direct challenge to the former president’s comeback bid https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/05/koch-trump-2024-gop-presidential-primary/ excerpt: The network of donors and activist groups led by conservative billionaire Charles Koch will oppose Donald Trump for the 2024 Republican nomination, mounting a direct challenge to the former president’s campaign to win back the White House. “The best thing for the country would be to have a president in 2025 who represents a new chapter,” Emily Seidel, chief executive of the network’s flagship group, Americans for Prosperity (AFP), wrote in a memo released publicly on Sunday. The three-page missive repeatedly suggests that AFP is taking on the responsibility of stopping Trump, with Seidel writing: “Lots of people are frustrated. But very few people are in a position to do something about it. AFP is. Now is the time to rise to the occasion.” The move marks the most notable example to date of an overt and coordinated effort from within conservative circles to stop Trump from winning the GOP nomination for a third straight presidential election. Some Republicans have grown increasingly frustrated with Trump after disappointing midterm elections in which he drew blame for elevating flawed candidates and polarizing ideas. But absent a consolidated effort to stop Trump, many critics fear he will be able to exploit GOP divisions and chart a course to the nomination as he did in 2016. While the memo didn’t name a spending target, AFP’s affiliated super PAC spent more than $69 million in the 2022 cycle, according to Federal Election Commission disclosures. The Koch network now joins the Club for Growth, another of the largest outside spenders, and several of the party’s biggest individual donors such as finance billionaires Kenneth C. Griffin and Stephen A. Schwarzman in signaling their opposition to Trump’s current campaign. Others are holding back for now. The salvo from one of the biggest spenders in American politics marks a reversal after sitting out the past two presidential primaries. The Koch network has stayed on the sidelines since 2015, when it identified five approved presidential candidates, all of whom fell to Trump. To avoid a repeat of that outcome, the network plans to endorse a single candidate by the end of this summer, according to a person familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the talks were confidential. “AFP Action is prepared to support a candidate in the Republican presidential primary who can lead our country forward, and who can win,” Seidel wrote in the memo. more at the link
Just watched Argentina 1985 which is nominated for an Academy Award. Is on Amazon Prime for free. In Argentina during with the encouragement of Kissinger and some American establishment leaders we saw devout church going Christians espousing the vilest form of violence and torture against their opponents, which even outdid the leftist guerillas, whose terrorism they were responding to. In Italy during Mussolini we saw Christian fascists.
Yeah in the same poll it has 20% of democrats voting for trump LMAO. Keep reading on manipulated polls. Trump couldn't win in 2022 with 8% inflation and 4 dolkar gas. With inflation and gas heading down he's going give democrats a landslide. Anyone here who wants to wager $$ to tipjar please PLEASE dm me or @ me . Any of you MAGA please. We bet normally as well. I give you good odds
Trump’s grip on the Republican base is slipping — even among his fans More than 150 interviews in pivotal electoral states show the former president maintains a bond with his GOP voters, but faces rising interest in a new standard-bearer https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/23/trump-support-declining-2024-election/
My wife's 87yo grandmother is staying with us for the week and we were listening to NPR today while I was cooking us breakfast. They had a segment on the train derailment and she said 'Trump is going to visit the site of that train derailment' to which I said, 'So? What's he going to do, he's not the president'. She responded, 'I guess you don't like Trump.' (she's a super sweet old lady, so no vitriol at all). I said 'No way, he's a complete crackpot'. Her phone rang so that was the end of that conversation. Where she heard that blurb was at my in-laws house where they have NewsMax going 24/7. And what that tells me is that older people take 'news' they see as rote and don't question it at all. TV news is just correct to them and it's their main venue of any sort of information. So if they're watching right-wing anger programming entertainment, they will think that's how the world is. To juxtapose, Trump will get support as long as these 'news' channels keep pumping out the pro-Trump propaganda (which will eventually be replaced with pro-Desantis propaganda). And it's generational, as my wife said, we have to wait for the 'betes to get them before we see some wholesale voting change.
Yeah that isn't surprising at all. Older generations have no concept of media literacy. They grew up in an age with three television channels, anchormen like Walter Cronkite and robust local newspapers. There was no incentive to outright lie to your audience when they were growing up. They don't realize that all of that is gone now and that Fox News is currently in the midst of a lawsuit where their executives and on-air talent talked openly, behind the scenes, about how they're lying to their audience to further a political objective. The generation that told us to "not believe everything on the Internet" now believes everything on the Internet and has no skepticism about why a certain outlet might be saying something.
