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[Official] Titans @ Texans

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Nov 17, 2009.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It sure is nice to see you guys ending another game thread with long winded discussions on coaching philosophy.

    seriously, a few plays decided this game and your kicker has developed the yips, can we wait till we definitely know the outcome of this year to talk about kubiaks fate.
     
  2. MadMax

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    i think the discussion was prompted by the article regarding cowher.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    this discussion happens every game thread between the same participants for the past two seasons.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    beating a dead bronco

    see what i did there
     
  5. msn

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    LOL!!!

    Perhaps they enjoy the conversation?

    But you're right. Hilarious observation. :grin:
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    The thing about it is, the whole discussion is completely moot because of The Curse.

    Seriously, was Reliant Stadium built on an Indian burial ground or something? How else do you explain the horrible luck this franchise has had basically since it’s inception?

    Has a team ever had 4 out of 5 losses come down to 1 play? Yes, I know all the games would’ve gone to OT but even assuming we go 2-2, we’re looking at 7-3 right now. 2 fumbles on the goal-line? 2 missed field goals? Are you KIDDING me???

    What did we do to deserve this?
     
  7. msn

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    In case you're serious, the explanation is simple.

    Charley Casserly. Dom Capers.

    Now, that explains a lot, doesn't it.
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    Doesn't explain the 4 flukey losses this season.
     
  9. Major

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    And I'm saying that's NEVER BEEN THE CASE FOR ANYONE ELSE. Why is it that every other team can change coaches and improve immediately, but the Texans can't? Is our personnel that unique in the history of football? Again - name one example of a coach that had to go backwards. New head coaches come in all the time and immediately take a team up a notch.

    I haven't blamed Kubiak at all. In fact, I don't have a problem with him at all. I'm just arguing that if you did want to make a coaching change, there's no reason this team can't.

    Other coaches have unique philosophies too. And they get replaced. And the new coach doesn't have to dismantle the team to make it go forward.

    No one has suggested that it would. You're just arguing strawmans now.

    And yet, it happens every year, while your version of having to dismantle the team and take it several steps backwards never happens. Weird that I'm misleading and naive, don't you think?

    Of course. That's the whole point of a new coach. But the team doesn't have to go backwards to do that.

    Depends on the coach and what kind of progress the team is making. A proven coach gets longer than an unproven one. One that's showing improvements gets more than one that's not. This is pretty basic stuff.

    If the Texans were to make a change at head coach, that would be 3 head coaches in 10 years. That's not exactly unheard of or even rare. The Chargers, Vikings, Saints, and Colts (as well as numerous other teams) have had that many.

    The Cowboys, by the way, immediately went from 9-7 to 13-3 in Wade Philips' first year after several years of mediocrity. Not exactly the ideal example for you to use as an example of coaching change went bad.
     
  10. msn

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    Those aren't flukey losses. Slaton dropped the ball. AJ dropped several. The game should have never come down to that kick.

    Same thing in the other losses: you make your own "luck". The Texans are 5-5 because they have been inconsistent and mediocre, not because of bad luck.
     
  11. Major

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    The Cowboys also went from 5-11 to 10-6 in Parcells' first year. If you wanted to point to an example of the ineffectiveness of coaching changes and their inability to turn things around quickly, that was the absolute worst team you could have picked.
     
  12. emjohn

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    I'm sorry, but what I see isn't a team playing great, outplaying the other team, but getting struck by black lightning over and over. I'm not seeing the Bills' loss to the Pats in their opener. I'm not seeing flukes.

    I'm seeing a team, nearly every week, playing beneath itself. Not realizing its potential (mainly on offense). Coasting for 2 quarters a game coupled by 2 quarters of strong play.

    The heartbreaking plays each time haven't been potential game winners. They've been too little too late attempts that would have only sent the games into overtime.

    I don't need to see 6 more games to know Kubiak is too married to his run philosophy to accept that he's pushing a failed run game and holding the team back. That's been a constant. He was supposed to deliver a great plug and play run game to this team, and only one year have we seen results.

    In the end, my litmus test is this: is the team over or underachieving? I haven't seen an overachieving Texans season once, and I've had season tickets from the start.
     
  13. msn

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    agreed.
     
  14. ima_drummer2k

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    Deep down, I know this. It's just very frustrating feeling like you are so damn close to being a great football team.
     
  15. DonnyMost

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    I doubt many teams have had as many close calls as the Texans have had this year.

    In my eyes, they are a good, not average, football team.

    My head isn't exploding because they're 5-5. I'm quite pleased with how the team has progressed in the Kubiak era (certain players continue to failboat, Dunta, DL, etc.. but on the whole, we have gotten more talented each year). The only thing I'm really losing patience on is Kubiak's in-game coaching. I'm ready for him to do something really eye-opening and slick. But he keeps on proving to be an Aggie :(
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    5-5, two losses to teams with lessor records at this point in time. one win against an opponent with a better record. 9th in total offense, no more talk about lynching your defensive coordinator, you went out and finally got a competent safety and it has made all the difference in the world. You've lost two games in a row in which your kicker could have tied the game at the end.

    its not that bad, teams go from being able to compete week after week, to becoming closers. its disappointing (although I admit I was rooting for vince) to see them not close in two consecutive games, but these are more growing pains than anything else.
     
  17. mrdave543

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    Sig bet still good? I believe you need to have your signature changed until end of the Titans season.

    Please make it say, "Vince just wins, 22-11 as a starter, 4-0 against the Texans, "

    Thanks.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    This season is Kubiak's Growing Pains

    Which is why I say he should get another season.

    He has GOT TO improve his game management, game Prep and leadership . ..
    these players seem to coast at times. ..and that cannot happen

    Rocket River
     
  19. msn

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    Nope. You had your opportunity. It's chicken-poop to come in after the fact and want to come to terms.

    I was even frank in stating I thought the Titans could certainly win the game.

    Kudos to VY. He played a great game.

    I have no vitriol for VY -- only for fans who wouldn't stop whining about the draft, and of course for the Tennessee oilers.

    Really, really sucks losing to that sack-of-crap franchise. How sweet it would have been to sweep them.

    Gee THANKS, Texans.
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    Holy mother of god.

    A RR post I agree with.

    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     

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