To be fair, Kubiak got the job with his face-to-face interview where he put on a presentation that showed everything that had been done wrong with Carr and how he had a plan to remake DC into a winning QB. Now for him to do that and then turn around and draft VY as his first pick would have seemed a bit disingeneous at the very least. Look at it this way: You are Gary Kubiak. You've just been given command of the Titanic. Capt. Smith (Dom Capers) has been washed off the bridge by an enormous 2-14 tidal wave. The bow of the ship is underwater and she's taking on water everywhere. Too many holes to plug and not enough bodies to plug them. What do you do? Hindsight is always 20-20. Did Kubiak, Smith & McNair make a huge mistake in sicking with Carr? Hell yeah. It's easy to say that now but back then, they made their choice based on the way the Texans & Carr looked at that time. Had Carr been playing as feeble as he is now, they may have gone in a different direction. What this debacle should do is was to send a message to those running this organization about just how tough the road to respectability is going to be from now on especially given the fact Tennessee is poised to make huge strides in the future with VY. But unlike many here who have abandoned hope, I remember who Bud Adams really is and I KNOW that somehow, some way, he will find a way to F up his franchise. We now return you to the Houston Texans bashfest currently in progress...
Gosh, I am sitting here in my hotel room in the SF Bay Area... perhaps the only one in the state wearing a Texans jersey. From seeing these posts I am worried about returning home (I am sure the talk shows will be testing the seven second delays). Folks here probably don't care that I am wearing the jersey, since both local teams were spanked as well. Heck, last weekend only a few people commented on the jersey even after we beat the Raiders... reckon it doesn't matter when you are in the slog of mediocrity...
Actually, the postgame radio show was more the "I love VY" show than the "I hate the Texans" show. You get the sense reading and listening that people are happy with the loss just so they could say "I told you so."
There's a bit of that yes. But folks don't appear to hate the Texans so much as they appear to be pissed off at Kubiak & McNair for making the decision to stick with Carr rather than draft VY which now looks to be something of a huge mistake on their part. Oh well, you pays your money and you takes your chances...
Anyone an "insider", and can post the remaining bits? http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...ist=pasquarelli_len&id=2690881&CMP=ILC-INHEAD Carr's future in Houston on the line? By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com Archive Hindsight is always 20/20. But occasionally, even on the wrong side of 50 years old and closer to viewing the daisies from the bottom side up than from planting them, memory is even clearer. Last year at this time, we reported in "Tip Sheet" that some Houston Texans officials, for the first time during quarterback David Carr's inconsistent tenure with the franchise, were questioning internally how to proceed with the top pick in the 2002 draft. Carr had voided the final three seasons of the seven-year contract he signed as a rookie, and the Texans ostensibly had four alternatives: Exercise a "buy back" option for three more years at a total layout of $24.5 million that included $8 million in up-front money. Take a "buy back" for two more years, through 2007, at $15.75 million total, with a $5.5 million bonus. Designate Carr as a franchise or a transition player, with a one-year qualifying offer, thus affording the Texans another season in which to further evaluate him. Or do absolutely nothing, allow Carr to become an unrestricted free agent and test the open market, and risk the possibility of losing him altogether to another team. Our report, which suggested the Texans were at least considering the two-year "buy back" -- a move that would have saved $2.5 million in bonus money and nearly $10 million overall -- elicited a witch hunt of sorts in the Houston management offices, as some people fighting for their jobs sought to identify the source of the leak. The reaction, of course, was predictable, because the source (or sources) was right on-target. Not surprisingly, in February, the Texans did what they have typically done during their mostly free-spending yet unproductive five-year existence: They chose the most expensive and most ill-advised option for spending owner Bob McNair's money, paying Carr an $8 million bonus that triggered three additional contract years at salaries of $5.25 million (2006), $5.5 million (2007) and $6 million (2008). Apparently, the Texans' braintrust figured Carr would develop into a franchise-level quarterback in 2006 under the expert tutelage of first-year head coach Gary Kubiak.
Dick Vitale on the UT vs. LSU basketball game on ESPN right now, was just lamenting on the Texan's not taking VY or Bush.... LOL - wow. DD
Dick Vitale... "Hey, I'm a ****ing dumb ass when it comes to NBA drafts... considering I said Yao Ming would be a bust. Maybe I can analyze NFL drafts!!! Yeah...diaper dandy and such and such..." .
I looked and couldn't find a single post of yours during the last three games. I try to work the board into my game watching and a lot of the same people show up to post at game time. I just don't recall you being one of them. I guess we'll see you at next year's Titans game?
I call foul! As a percentage of totals posts... MaxMax: 7,198 / 30,827 = 23.3% CometsWin: 181 / 648 = 27.9% Yesss!
Man, what are you talking about? Max is here all the time, and he's been more forthcoming than just about everyone when it comes to his feelings on the Texans.
I think it was a pretty easy choice even back then. I think 99% of the functioning brain population expected SOMETHING else. They managed to F*** it up... (It's almost funny.. ) They made their bed now they gotta lay in it =].. Part of that is hearing constant criticisms of how MORONIC of a move that was for the next 10 years ..
From John McClain's Blog - http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2006/12/young_outplays_carr_to_ignite_1.html#more I remember the Oilers' last season in 1996. After games, Adams and his family would get into his limo, and as it pulled away, the fans would pelt it with bottles, cans, batteries, hotdogs — anything they could get their hands on. They'd bang on the side and scream the vilest things they could think of because he was moving his franchise to Tennessee. No wonder Adams may be the happiest guy in Houston. Young is Bud's revenge on Houston, and we've got to hand it to him. He could have passed up Young for the more popular Jay Cutler, who played at Vanderbilt, but he wanted Young because he knew how much Young meant to the fans of Houston. Now he's got Young and we don't, but we have to get over it. How do you think Bob McNair feels right now? Awful, of course. For McNair, coach Gary Kubiak and Texans fans and players, Sunday's game ended the worst possible way: with Young running for a 39-yard touchdown in overtime to give the Titans the 26-20 victory. Although they'll never admit it publicly or privately, I guarantee you that a day doesn't go by when McNair and Kubiak don't regret their decision to pass him up. I don't care about Young's statistics. I don't care about his Wonderlic score. I don't care where he grew up or where he went to college or what he did in college. The only thing I care about is that he's a Winner with a capital "W." He's got the "it" factor that few quarterbacks have. In short, Young is extraordinary. And, of course, McNair and Kubiak know it. They saw the game. They watch film. They see Young make big plays with his arm and legs. They made a decision, with the strong influence of former general manager Charley Casserly, that could haunt this franchise for a decade or more. • • • Last week, the Texans got tired of the hype. They handled the situation with class, as they always do. They didn't want to hear anything else about Young. Well, do you know what? They could have done something about it. They could have won the game. They could have beaten Young and ruined his homecoming. But they didn't. David Carr had a chance to do what Young did. He had a chance to lead his team to a victory. You had helped the Titans drive 88 yards in 15 plays to take a 20-17 lead on Travis Henry's 2-yard touchdown run. The Texans got the ball at their 39 with 3:53 left. Now, I know you were thinking what we were thinking in the press box: This was the perfect opportunity for Carr to shut up his critics and to prove everyone wrong by taking the offense the length of the field for the winning touchdown. This was Carr's chance to beat Young at his own game with a come-from-behind victory in front of his fans. Carr's, not Young's. But did any of us actually believe it would happen? I didn't. Neither did you. And it didn't. Carr took them to the Tennessee 28-yard line. He connected with Andre Johnson two times for 25 yards, including a 21-yard completion when Johnson made an outstanding catch against man coverage. On third-and-8 from the 34, Carr threw a short pass to Johnson. He looked like he might get the first down, but he was tackled after a 6-yard gain, making it fourth-and-two. At that point, Kubiak used his second timeout with 2:14 left rather than let the clock run down to the two-minute warning. He wanted to talk over the situation with his coaches. Rather than go for the first down, he elected to have Brown try a 46-yard field goal that was good. The Titans went three-and-out. If Kubiak had saved that timeout, he could have used it on that series and got the ball back one last time with more seconds on the clock. As it was, the Texans got it back at their 7 with 53 seconds left. Kubiak elected to run out the clock. That strategy shows you what kind of confidence Kubiak has in Carr and his offense. • • • Carr was 17-of-23 for 140 yards and a touchdown. To combat the pass rush, Carr took quick drops and threw quick passes. He completed eight in a row to start the game, but most of them were short and ineffective. Young completed 19-of-29 for 218 yards. He had no touchdowns, one interception and was sacked two times. The Texans didn't turn the ball over. The Titans suffered two turnovers. The Titans moved the ball because they could run effectively. Henry rushed for 88 yards on 20 carries. Young added 86 yards on seven carries. Young completed passes to seven different receivers. The bottom line is that when the Texans needed a big play the most, Carr could have stepped up and made plays to win, but he didn't. Young did. That's why there's a world of difference in them as quarterbacks. That's why I imagine that McNair and Kubiak - like so many of us -- are going to spend a lot of time this week wondering what might have been. When I think about what it's going to be like for so many years when the Texans play the Titans, I'm reminded of what Marlon Brando said near the end of Apocalypse Now when he was finally confronted by Martin Sheen: "The horror. The horror."
Vince Young doesn't want anger between Texan fans and Texas Horn fans and Titan/Former Oiler fans. He just wants PEACE. Hey Dexter McCleon, ...PEACE!
okay, true, the Texans have been around for only five years. How can you not be a Texans fan when they've been around for five years? Hey, you gotta start somewhere. Are you suppose to wait 25 years before you can become a fan? I don't understand that logic? I've only known Vanessa Hudgens for about two months or whatever, and I am a diehard Vanessa Hudgens fan. I know everything about her. Her height, weight, eye color, hair color, school, movies, songs, but according to your logic, I have to wait something like 40 years to be a diehard fan of hers. --- i want McNair to get on the Radio and explain why we decided to extend Carr, and not select VY.
