No it happened - but it wasn't in public. He didn't go to the media and rail about Fisher. It was in a closed locker room meeting that only got out because we heard about it from the coach. And he specifically said he wasn't quitting on the team. But yeah, I was more thinking about all the incidents that led up to that point. That was the final straw that blew everything up - and that's why the two needed to part ways.
What are all the incidents that led to that reputation? I know of 3 primary ones: 1. Being frustrated on the field with the injury in season 3 and being booed 2. The whole suicide / disappearance thing that followed 3. This most recent locker room meeting this year Are there others? On each of these, we never heard from Vince on any of them. What do you really know about any of the incidents except what the coach said? We don't even have any comments from players or owners on any of them, though we know in a general sense that the owner supported him and at least a few of the players (Britt, Scaife) were willing to accept fines and suspensions to speak out for ihm. I'm not saying the reputation is undeserved, but everything we know about them is from a 3rd party that currently dislikes the player (whether he did at the time is in question). It's not like TO or Moss or others who are easy to evaluate because they actually say and do the stupid things in public where we are able to see it all.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/01/05/titans.young/index.html?eref=sihp According to one team source, Young had about four or five players in the Titans locker room who remained loyal to him and took his side in his highly publicized showdown with Fisher. The rest believed the team needed to cut ties with Young, and if it hadn't, there would have resulted in a line of players at Reinfeldt's door requesting an offseason trade A source told me the vast majority of Titans players had grown frustrated with Young's repeated maturity issues, and he still hadn't progressed to the point where he could seamlessly call plays in the huddle, or commit himself to the work and preparation required of an NFL starting quarterback. Adams was made aware of how widespread the rest of the locker room felt hamstrung and held back by Young's lack of development. "The fact that he still has a hard time calling plays in the huddle, that's a problem for us," a Titans source said. "There's not indifference here about Vince. There's some serious animosity. A lot of guys would want out of here if he came back. Everyone knows he's the guy who's supposed to drive the car, he's supposed to be our leader. But he doesn't do the things you have to have your quarterback do. Guys can't trust him. Even after all this time. It had to start with not having No. 10 back here." Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/01/05/titans.young/index.html#ixzz1AGrpID7Q Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/01/05/titans.young/index.html#ixzz1AGrh9Sba
Leinhart wants to start. Resign him, then trade him to TEN for VY. Leinhart gets to start, VY comes back home......as a backup, for now. :grin:
off the top of my head: throwing his shoulder pads into the stands i'm not sure i can so easily dismiss (if i'm an NFL owner or GM) the "whole suicide disappearance thing" :grin: honestly, i think the guy has a super fragile ego...in a league where there are lots of fragile egos, he sits on top. he acts like a child. i hope he can get himself together, because i've rooted for him since he was in high school here.
I heard that Vince Young can't call plays because he's too stupid to remember them. I know a guy who used to party with him at UT and their friends used to call him "Radio" because he's borderline r****ded. This is also evidenced in his wunderlic test.
Oh I agree with all of that - he has emotional issues. But that's very different from being a malcontent. I agree that any owner - or more importantly, any coach since their job depends on the QB - would and should be hesistant to take a risk on Vince. But his problems are different from malcontents like TO that actually put themselves above the team and don't mind destroying things along the way. I think he's gotten the reputation of being a malcontent when he's really just emotionally immature. Still something that needs to be fixed, but I think it's a different sort of issue.
hmmm...i think being emotionally immature leads to him being a malcontent. in his one and only experience, i think you can say he's been malcontent. we'll see if that is different elsewhere.
The rumor was out there that he was suicidal. His coach called the police because he was worried about his life. His mother defend his honor on the radio. I don't think anyone should waste their breath defending his mental stability.
Vince is not going to lead an average team to a deep playoff run, he simply isn't good enough. Certainly if the likes of Trent Dilfer can lead an excellent team to the title, Vince (who is capable of the game manager type stuff and brings an extra dimension with his legs) is capable of doing the same. I sort of think he would do really well, until he encounters some kind of adversity, or people boo the offense...then, until he proves otherwise...I expect he will melt down. For a time I actually was rooting for him to baby his way out of the league (just because a percentage of his Orangeblooded fanbase was just soooo annoying hammering the Texans for not drafting him and making excuses for every negative thing he did). I certainly didn't have any "hometown" love for him, because his Madison Marlins beat my Northshore Mustangs. But, I guess now my love for the underdog has kicked in cause I want him to catch on somewhere and have another chance. Certainly no longer playing for the hated Titans raises his stock with me 100 percent. Good luck Vince, but ya'll Horns types try not to be teh obnoxious the first time he does well in an exhibition game and clamor for him to be installed as "Starter for life".
I like Skip Bayless and am generally entertained by him, but his proposal that the Texans sign VY and trade Matt Schaub is just ****ing r****ded.
nothing the texans could possibly do will surprise me at this point considering they've kept an absolute failure as their head coach. now someone admitting they like skip bayless? that is surprising!
Seattle might work. Hasselback's history, they've few other prospects and a lousy draft spot. Plus he'll be close to Canada which may be his next stop. Can he get there by Saturday?
Matthew: [confused] You're just by yourself? Peter Bretter: Yeah. Matthew: Sucks. Okay, so just one. Here's your wine list, your menu, come on. You want, like, a magazine or something? It's gonna be boring if you're just sitting by yourself. Peter Bretter: No, I'll be alright. Thank you. Matthew: I would just be *so* depressed.
I seriously doubt that an established team will bring him in to be the starter. I would bet that he either gets a backup gig with a good team, or a starting gig with a rebuilding team who is willing to work with him - or at least a gig where he will be allowed to compete for a starter's job. I don't think anybody is going to anoint him a starter unopposed. The fact that Fisher had to dumb the playbook and reads way down appears to be a pretty well known fact. I don't think that Carroll is going to sign him as a starter, knowing he will have to do that. From what I've heard from Carroll he really is looking to build on this year going forward. Cutting the playbook way back and taking on a VY project doesn't sound like it is something he wants to do. VY's tweets on the way out make me wonder whether he understands that he has some shortcomings in terms of the mental effort that he needs to give. If he is leaving Tennessee thinking that he was blameless, and the whole sum of the problem is that Jeff Fisher "didn't trust him", he's never going to be more than what he is now, which is a guy with great unrealized potential. On Sirius NFL yesterday, I heard some guy from Austin go into a 20 minute diatribe summarizing Vince Young's greatness all the way back to his early days as a fetus, and detailing how the entire situation in Tennessee was all a massive conspiracy from day one by Jeff Fisher to cover up his own failings. The guy had practically written a PhD thesis that he was summarizing on the radio and it somehow all inevitably lead to a conclusion that Vince Young had never made a mistake in his life, and that all conflicts are because people don't understand him. Seriously, that is not an exaggeration. I think people like that have really hurt Vince Young. They keep telling him how great he is and it really sounds to me like he buys into that. I know you UT guys love him, but I seriously think you and the people around him are destroying him by putting him up on that pedestal.
None of this surprises me at all. Yep. Don't know if this story is true, but VY clearly isn't the smartest guy out there. Some of you guys that are defending VY are amazing. I don't think there is any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. Without Bud Adams having his backside, VY now has to grow up. He will have problems in a major media market with much more aggressive press coverage than Nashville.
Will Reggie Bush be available after the playoffs? The Texans could use a return specialist. What a couple of busts. I think the Edmonton Eskimos need a quarterback.
