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  1. Marshall Bryant

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    Almost 5 hours. It took a bit to read the game time posts of the game, so my first post is about 6 hours after game time.
     
  2. Marshall Bryant

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    Hints about enlarging the texts to read [not write] would be appreciated. Reading posts should not be this difficult.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Just pinch your phone screen to enlarge what you're reading.
     
  4. RunninRaven

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    Did you see any of the rest of the inning? How did Pressley look outside of the homerun pitch?
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If you're on a computer there should be a setting to enlarge text in general. What OS are you running?

    Just Google "enlarge text on <computer or phone type>"
     
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    Read an interview with a pitcher at some point that discussed some of the bigger misconceptions about baseball. Something mentioned was the idea of the "hanging" off-speed pitch. The pitcher's belief was that there's no such thing as an off-speed pitch that just fails to break aka hanging pitch. It's a location problem. The off speed pitch would inevitably break, but it was thrown to the wrong part of the zone and didn't have time to break properly. Always found that an interesting read .
     
  7. seeingredtx

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    I did, I said he was going to fall off this season. I said it before he got into the Arizona game, he blew that save and I called that and even called he would end up on the 10 day. All this before it happened. I said he velocity is down and is not as sharp. I said this way before
     
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    Not sure whether this contradicts what players believe or not contradicts belief in hanging. Pitches up in the zone have a flatter attack angle. For a breaking ball, flatter = hang to the batter's perspective in my opinion. For a 4S fastball like Javier's, flatter = rise to the batter's perspective.

    Also, I think pitches up in the zone have slightly less time in the air, and that has a small bit of time change helps pitch break less. Though I think angle of pitch is a bigger deal.
     
  9. Marshall Bryant

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    The phone screens are much too small to see. I use a 52" tv as a monitor for my desktop. Some programs have an easy screen enlargement and others don't.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Your desktop should have a 'global' setting for folks that have difficulty reading screens. There should be an accessibility setting to aid in this. Google it if you can't find it.
     
  11. Marshall Bryant

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    To understand the physics, I'll use x (left/right) y ( up down) and z (toward or away). If the spin axis comes in along the z axis, you have the proverbial cement mixer that doesn't break along the Y axis or "hangs" from the batter's perspective.

    In practice, very few balls spin along any one of the axis x.y or z, but some combination of deviation from those primary axis. The good curve rotates nearer the x axis creating movement along the Y axis. When it moves closer to the Z axis, it appears to lose it's break.

    The physics is really much easier than the execution and particularly the ability to reproduce the same spin axis.
     
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    It's easier to get to Clutchfans, but the text didn't enlarge in the program. But the pointer enlargement did work and shouldn't disappear on me now.

    Thanks.
     
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    OS I think is Firefox and DDG for a search engine.
     
  14. phasors28

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    Not making excuses for Yordan but sometimes players get caught up in the moment.

    2019 World Series Game 1 - Bottom of 8th, Astros down 5-3. Springers doubles and scores Tucker to make it 5-4 with one out. Springer was great so not blaming him but I do wonder if he hustled immediately out of the box if he would have ended up on 3rd with one out and Altuve next. We will never know I guess.



    PS - Sorry for pain lol!
     
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    Howie Kendrick game 7 homer was the most painful moment in Astros history imo.
     
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    You are describing a backup slider. Batters miss those all the time because they don't move the way they are supposed to move.
     
  17. Nick

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    Agreed... basically what happened on that pitch. Probably had great spin rate, probably had enough break... but started off high in the zone and broke into the hitters sweet spot.

    I also still think it comes down to pitch recognition. The absolute best pitchers can throw multiple pitches that cannot be distinguished from each other on the release... and the HOF types have a pitch that will look similar till the very tail end of it/break.

    He most definitely recognized (or guessed) curveball on the release.... and it broke right where he could hit it.
     
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    He got behind in the count to the first two, Didn't have great command. But stuff got better as the inning went on.

    Likely some rust. If he's healthy, he should be fine. Just can't throw curveballs in the heart of the zone.
     
  20. Joe Joe

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    Yep, this too.

    Basically, everything about throwing curveballs up is bad for the pitcher.

    Easier to recognize as outside fastball tunnel.
    Bad Angle drops ball into bat and easy to get sweet spot on the ball.
    Less Movement due to less time.
    And even if you are able to clip the top part of the zone when batter doesn't swing, it will be called a ball.
     

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