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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by mrdave543, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. MadMax

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    This could be my signature as it pertains to the Texans. Exactly how I feel.
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    they've lost two games, on the road, to two very good (as in possibly "super bowl" good0 teams with a hurricane thrown into the mix.

    and you're ready to let that erase how much PROGRESS they've made under kubiak? that's the kind of rhetoric usually reserved for sport-radio: silly, uninformed, knee-jerk hyperbole. i'd like to think you're better than that...

    oh, stop it. stop it right now. neither carr nor green have set this franchise back a single ounce. carr was a challenge i want my offensive-minded, quarterback-friendly new coach to take. in the end, the experiment cost us 13 months, nothing more.

    green, meanwhile, is the kind of low cost, low risk move teams in this era SHOULD be making. there have been far greater free agency mistakes than ahman green.

    as for schaub, he hasn't even started the equivalent of a full NFL season yet (sunday will be his 14th with the texans). i already know they overpaid for him (no QB not named brady or manning is worth 2 2's), but what's done is done. the good news is that he's been, when healthy, good far more often than he's been bad. i'm not going to set myself on fire because two of the nfl's consistently best defenses befuddled him.

    i truly doubt kubiak is oblivious to this. that's why he took some risks - like trying to drain a productive season or two out of ahman green. you can't claim to understand the depths of how bad the team was, then rake 'em over the coals for trying to make it better as quickly as possible.

    that's disengenious.

    if kubiak DIDN'T have that urgency, if 2006 really was the expansion year, i'm sure he would be handling things a lot differently knowing he had 3-4 years to get it right. there'd be no anthony weaver or ahman green, et al. those are his attempts at short-term success; his randy wolfs, so to speak.

    not only is this meaningless, empty rhetoric, it's inaccurate meaningless, empty rhetoric.

    in 1967, the raiders were in the super bowl. in 1968, they went 12-2. in 1969, madden's first year, they were 12-1-1. they would not lose more than 4 games until his final season in '78. he inherited a great team and maintained it. there was no "infusion of an attitude" before winning, or whatever swill you're spilling.

    LOFL.
     
  3. updawg

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    irresponsible speculation
     
  4. msn

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    But Hillboy never answered the question: when have the Texans offered up such excuses?

    I'm tired, after 7 years, of them still being a bad team. I'm with you there.

    And, I completely understand anyone being tired of any excuses being given by fans. (Like the ones I gave ad nauseum for David Carr.)

    But, when have the Texans given any of these excuses?

    Until shown otherwise, they have not.
     
  5. XBLRocketman111

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    Spectulation listen to the guys interviews all he talks about is trying to win and if the texans don't start doing some of that soon (winning). he will be gone
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    MM, i didn't say they were good; i said they "weren't awful", especially given expectations for an expansion team.

    i don't think the 2008 texans are going 4-12. i think they'll wind up in the 7-to-9 win range. given they're likely going to start the year 0-4, that's pretty commendable.

    i mean, we're on the heels of two other houston teams looking like garbage for long stretches before turning it around and giving us all a hell of a ride... have you (the group) not learned ANY patience? has it not sunk in that this kind of knee-jerk reaction is a little silly when you still have the majority of the season left?

    great googlymoogly.
     
  7. msn

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    Meh. He was alluding to a massive flameout/meltdown in this forum, for which I was mostly responsible.

    Get it right, bro: it's "irresponsible", "making **** up," "batsh1t," and I do believe "horsesh1t". :D

    But, none of us want to go back there.
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    he signed an 8-year, $60M extension before they even traded for schaub. give it a rest; he's not going anywhere.
     
  9. XBLRocketman111

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    I stand corrected thanks ric, that shows everybody you can be wrong but don't have to be an a## about it
     
  10. msn

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    No one was trying to be an ass bro; updawg was making a joke about an argument (to put it mildly) that happened here a couple years back.

    To clarify, my earlier "get it right, bro" comment was directed at updawg, again all in jest.
     
  11. updawg

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    sorry, should have put one of these on that :D
     
  12. ima_drummer2k

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    He didn't exactly have a stellar game on Sunday and has 0 TD's in 2 games.

    He's good, but he doesn't walk on water.
     
  13. Hey Now!

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    speaking of... now that you can look at it from a different perspective: do you see why i jumped all over it; why its such a big deal to me?

    there're a lot of (legitimate) reasons to be upset about the texans right now; we don't need to add, and then in any way legitimize baseless speculation as a means to pile on. it's counterproductive.

    and i'm asking that sincerely; not to revisit, but to confirm for my own records that i'm not completely insane for being so anal about it....
     
  14. XBLRocketman111

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    agreed the are some issues but i personally through all the gameplay have seen some progress, the fact that we could hang around and have a shot to win that game was amazing, schaub was terrible but we did have a chance to win that game maybe not 3 pass plays on the 1 yd line and then try on 4th to run it in and we had a tight ball game. Playcalling in that game was my biggest issue. Kubiac was right though 2 touchdowns was on johnsons fingertips and if he would have caught those maybe we are talking about being 2nd place in the division right now agree?
     
  15. MadMax

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    Yeah..that's not what I meant by it...it's the excuses I hear made for them.
     
  16. MadMax

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    It's 7 years, Ric. It's not 2 games. The impatience you're hearing is for 7 years...not 2 games. 7 years.

    I'm not gonna apologize for being frustrated.
     
  17. MadMax

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    :D counterproductive to what goal, ric?? the sanctity of this message board??
     
  18. msn

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    No, frankly. Because I didn't say what you jumped all over. I said something very different. Can we leave it at that? Everyone (ad nauseum) knows we don't see eye to eye on this.

    I don't really agree here, either. Part of the fun of sports talk, for many of us, is extrapolating all the what-ifs in the future based on this or that. The post above--he simply wondered how much more losing AJ could take before he wanted out. I don't have a problem with that, even though AJ signed his 8-year deal, especially given his "I'm sick and tired of it" comments from after week one, and given the modern athlete's propensity to not honor contracts, demand trades, hold out from training camp, etc.

    Fans aren't journalists, and (unless they're making baseless, mean-spirited accusations, or touting their opinions as "fact") shouldn't be held to that level of accountability. Especially when it's not even a declarative statement, as in the case of the post above. "I can see him yada yada yada..." It's very clear that statement is personal conjecture. I don't have a problem with it.

    Richard Justice, a "journalist", writes like a fan at a water cooler. That I have a problem with.

    I don't expect you to agree. I really don't want to discuss it further; I just didn't want to ignore your query.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    i understand that but this regime hasn't been here 7 years. they didn't ram an ice pick through the franchise's eye and then dump its rotting carcass on the side of some lost road. they took over a 2-14 team and guided it to 8-8 in two seasons. i think that's pretty remarkable.

    i mean, there has to be some delineation, doesn't there? don't you at some point have to just write off the c&c idtio factory years and move on? would you want to be judged by your predecessor if that person had proven completely inept and incapable of doing their job?

    i don't think anyone's asked for an apology - do you think i *like* this? that i'm content with a team that hasn't excited me since september 8, 2002?

    at the same time, i'm not going to react to everything emotionally; i'm more analytical and reflective. if kubiak had been handed anything other than a team that needed to be gutted from top to bottom, maybe i'd be more impatient.

    but in a relatively short period, i've seen marked improvement in various aspects with this team. i'm content to see what else kubiak can do. until then, i'm realistic: they lack enough talent to be anything but a marginal football team; they have a brutal opening schedule; a hurricane blew through town 12 days ago....
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    sure, but journalists don't carry the same cache they did 10 years ago. there are so many outlets for people - fans and journalists alike - to spout opinion that the line is being blurred.

    and we have a tendency to gravitate toward that which we believe and/or supports our opinion, regardless of attribution. if i'm mad at the texans, and someone thinks andre johnson might leave such a sorry franchise - what do i care who said it as long as it was said and it underscore my anger?

    so "i think andre johnson might leave" today becomes "did you hear andre johnson wants to leave?" tomorrow. it fuels the fodder. i don't like that, especially when the poster(s) hasn't done their homework.
     

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