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[Official?]Texans Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by leroy, Jan 20, 2007.

  1. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Would the Texans have any interest in Troy Vincent?
     
  2. kaleidosky

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    He didn't look all that great on the Skins last year trying to replace Archuleta.. I'd pass and aim for a younger safety... unless we get him on the cheap. Can't imagine he'd come here for cheap as opposed to a better team for cheap
     
  3. kaleidosky

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    John Clayton reported on ESPN today that there are no discussions for Plummer right now..

    and that Houston is suddenly ready for Carr to be the starting QB next year. They've said they'll listen, but they've said they will only make a deal if a really great great offer comes around for him. No longer the "looking to deal him" thing we thought it was..
     
  4. jopatmc

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    Thank God. It's the right move. Let him play this season and pump up his value with a 2nd season under Kubiak. Probably can't get anything but a mid to low 4th rounder now. If he has a solid season, we could possibly get a second rounder later.
     
  5. MadMax

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    MadMax faints.
     
  6. MadMax

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    you don't keep a QB so that when you seek to trade him the next season, you can move up a couple of rounds with the pick you get as compensation. that doesn't exactly inspire confidence, either! :D
     
  7. The Cat

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    I think it's just a negotiating ploy so they don't get lowballed by teams thinking they're desperate to move Carr. I still think he'll get moved.

    That said, I hope he stays.
     
  8. jopatmc

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    No, you keep a QB when you have a lot of money tied up in him and the only thing available on the market is mediocrity and you can't get anything of value for him. You may know that he is not your man, but you can put some lipstick on him and make him look good, so you can move him.
     
  9. gucci888

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    Bingo! The Texans have already said that they haven't been happy w/ Carr's inconsistency and are receiving calls about Carr and still willing to listen to them.

    6 weeks after the season and they SUDDENLY realize he is their guy? Come on...I highly doubt Kubiak and Smith woke up one morning and suddenly had a great feeling about this guy. They've probably been receiving crap offers for Carr and realizing that they need to say or indicate something.
     
  10. Achilleus

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    This is definitely the case.

    Rick Smith was being interviewed by stupid Jamie Dukes on the NFL network and Smith said that Carr is their starting quarterback. I guess he said it in a funny way or made a weird face about it, but Jamie Dukes just started laughing loudly and Smith kind of let out a nervous laugh. After the interview Dukes said Carr would remain the starting QB, then winked.
     
  11. MadMax

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    how exciting. i can't wait to shell out the bucks for that.
     
  12. ima_drummer2k

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    Do you REALLY think the Texans went from wanting to trade Carr to annointing him the starter in less than 24 hours?? Come on, Max. You're smart enough to know that this is just talk.

    Like others have said, the Texans are just trying not to look desperate.
     
  13. MadMax

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    No, I still think he's gonna be gone. I'm just responding to jopatmc's post.
     
  14. ima_drummer2k

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    Fine...fergit it!!!

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  15. HillBoy

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    Then I don't know who they're trying to fool then. Anyone with a pulse knows that they have a PR nightmare in Houston with Carr - one that will continue to escalate in intensity as Vince Young matures and gains experience. That's why Carr has been all but invisible on the 2007 season ticket advertising campaign. Even an NFL idiot like Casserly can see that if they move Carr 1 year after giving all of those $$$ it would be a tacit admission that they (Texans) muffed the draft last year which had a bumper crop young QBs where Leinart, Cutler & Young were there for the taking. For them to pretend that no one else can see this is bordering on the same type of self-delusion that inhabits Valley Ranch (Dallas Cowboys HQ) these days.
     
  16. ima_drummer2k

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    That's wonderful, but what is your point? What is your solution? We can't go back in time and do the 2006 draft all over again. Should we keep Carr just so we don't have to admit making a mistake? That doesn't make sense.

    If the Texans ever want to become a good football team, it's time to move forward and stop living in the past. I think that's what they're trying to do. It would be nice if some of their fans would follow suit.
     
  17. HillBoy

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    My point is that they keep sending out these mixed signals which give the impression that they don't know what they are doing. They are starting to look as bad as the Cowboys who prefer to live in Jerry Jones' world where they don't admit to making mistakes. It's obvious that they cannot release Carr because of the salary cap implications so they'd have to find a trading partner to take him off their hands. And even if this were to happen, they'd then be in the market for a QB in a year where the draft and FA choices are distressingly slim - they would be a year late in that respect. That's why I think that after all is said and done, they will take the path of least resisitance and keep Carr, rebuild the OL and upgrade the RB/WR areas and hope for the best. In a sense, they will keep him not because he's the best option at that position but because he's the best of a bad situation. They may bring in Plummer to "push" David Carr but that's unlikely given their cap situation. All of this talk about Carr being traded strikes me as a smokescreen.

    I'm not saying that you have to relive the 2006 draft but you have to admit that the PR implications of bringing Carr back border on the catastrophic. They can pretend it ain't so all they want but it will be a long beat down of a season when Carr fails to step up again. It will be compounded exponentially if VY, Cutler & Leinart progress as Carr continues to regress. If you want things to get better, the first thing the Texans have to do is to develop a better message for the disgruntled Houston football fan because "Get Over It (it being the 2006 draft)" is not only not working but is insulting and reeks of arrogance on their part.
     
  18. updawg

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    Hillboy, I hope you are not right. They can not just waste another year for those reasons. They have to make changes and at least attempt to progress.
     
  19. Rocketman95

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    Off the top of my head, I can't remember a team ever coming out and saying there's no way a player will be on the team next year before they actually released the guy. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch over absolutely nothing.
     
  20. ima_drummer2k

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    No, they're giving the impression that Carr can still play in order to increase his trade value.

    Like I said in the other thread, I hope NFL GM's are as gullible as some of you guys.
     

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