That's why I don't think you'll see any of the top QBs drop like some mocks had been trending. Just takes one team to knock the first domino and think you'll see a run, that includes a guy like Mahomes going higher than expected IMO.
So mahomes would be gone by the texans selection? I hope not. It could work the other way too where the teams you think need a qb, go o-line or cover other needs.
Kiper and McShay's Dueling Two-Round 2017 Mock Draft 1st round: Kiper has us going Cam Robinson McShay: Ryan Ramyczk 2nd round: Kiper: Nathan Peterman McShay: Marcus Maye
McShay's tier rankings Spoiler As the 2017 NFL draft draws closer, it's time to run through our draft tier rankings, which uses our grades to separate prospects into different segments. This is helpful when comparing players who are close to each other in the rankings. It also helps in predicting where players will come off the board during the first three rounds of the draft. Here are our draft tiers for 2017, covering every prospect with a first-, second- or third-round grade. (I've put each player's grade in parentheses next to his name.) Tier 1 The elite class of the 2017 NFL draft. These players should be starters from Day 1 and project as perennial Pro Bowl players. 2017: 1 player | 2016 (at this point in the process): 3 players 1. Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M (Grade: 95)* Garrett has the top tier all to himself after shining during the pre-draft process. We already knew he had fantastic tape and production (48.5 tackles for loss, 32.5 sacks and five forced fumbles in 36 starts), but he posted one of the best combine performances I've ever seen, just for good measure. At 6-foot-4.5 and 272 pounds, he ran a 4.64 40 and jumped 41 inches in the vertical. The Browns should just turn in the card now. Garrett has to be the pick at No. 1 overall. Tier 2 A notch below the elite class but still worthy of top-20 picks in most drafts. These picks are expected to be plug-and-play starters. 2017: 8 players | 2016: 8 players 2. Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama (94) 3. Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (93)* 4. Jamal Adams, S, LSU (93)* 5. Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (92)* 6. Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State (92)* 7. Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State (92)* 8. Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (92) 9. O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (92) Ignore the noise surrounding Allen's poor combine workout; just turn on the tape and watch this guy play. He has a great work ethic, and it shows up on the field. Howard, Allen's Alabama teammate, has a real chance to become the first tight end selected in the top nine of the draft since Vernon Davis in 2006. Fournette stands above the rest in an elite running back class. He has the size (6-foot-.5, 240), speed (4.51) and power to be a feature back, ideally in a power-blocking scheme. Tier 3 These players carry late first-round grades. 2017: 10 players | 2016: 11 players 10. Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky (91) 11. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (91) 12. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (91)* 13. Haason Reddick, ILB, Temple (90) 14. Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (90)* 15. David Njoku, TE, Miami (Fla.)(90)* 16. Garett Bolles, OT, Utah (90)* 17. Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (90)* 18. Kevin King, CB, Washington (90) 19. John Ross, WR, Washington (90)* It isn't often that you see the first offensive lineman in Tier 3, but such is the case for this class right now. Lamp continues to move up my rankings because of his exceptional athleticism. The race between Davis and Williams for the No. 1 WR ranking could not be tighter. Davis has great speed on tape and elite production, while Williams has the best ball skills of any WR in this draft. McCaffrey now has a small lead on Florida State's Dalvin Cook for the No. 2 RB spot. The Stanford product shined at the combine and will help his NFL team in a variety of ways. Tier 4 Would rather not reach for these prospects late in the first round, but they're good value picks in the first half of Round 2. 2017: 27 players | 2016: 23 players 20. Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State (89)* 21. Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (89)* 22. Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (89) 23. Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA (89) 24. Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (89)* 25. Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State (89)* 26. Charles Harris, OLB, Missouri (88)* 27. Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin (88)* 28. Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida (88) 29. Budda Baker, S, Washington (88)* 30. Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (88)* 31. Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (88)* 32. Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (87) 33. Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (87)* 34. Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut (87) 35. Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (87)* 36. Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi (85) 37. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee (86)* 38. Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston (86) 39. Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (86) 40. Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida (86)* 41. Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan (86) 42. Marcus Maye, S, Florida (86) 43. Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC (86)* 44. Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan (85)* 45. DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (85)* 46. Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama (85) This is where the top three quarterbacks fall on my board (for now). It isn't an elite class at the top end of the position -- there are no Andrew Luck types who deserve to be the No. 1 pick -- but if given time to develop, Watson, Trubisky and Kizer have the tools to grow into solid NFL starters. If you can't tell, this is an extremely deep DB class, with 14 cornerbacks/safeties in the first four tiers. At this point last year, I had seven DBs ranked in Tiers 1-4. Tier 5 These players are middle- or late-second-round prospects. 2017: 14 players | 2016: 18 players 47. T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin (84)* 48. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC (84)* 49. Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech (83)* 50. Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State (83)* 51. Teez Tabor, CB, Florida (83)* 52. Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State (82) 53. Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado (81) 54. Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vanderbilt (81)* 55. Josh Jones, S, North Carolina State (81)* 56. Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma (80)* 57. Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama (80) 58. Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA (80) 59. Taylor Moton, G, Western Michigan (80) 60. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland (80)* 61. Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (80) At Nos. 51 and 52 are two players who went in opposite directions during the pre-draft process. Headed into the combine, I thought Tabor had a chance to be a top-15 pick based on his tape. But he posted a 4.62 40-yard dash at the combine, which is a red-flag number at the position. Willis, meanwhile, showed off incredible explosiveness for a 255-pounder: 4.53 40, 39-inch vertical, 4.28-second short shuttle. Based purely on his football skills, Mixon would rank a lot higher on this list, but a 2014 incident in which he punched a woman and broke four bones in her face will cause some teams to take him off their boards entirely. Tier 6 These players are third-round prospects. They could develop into solid starters, but they either have limited upside or come with a higher element of risk than players worth drafting in the first two rounds. 2017: 49 players | 2016: 42 players 62. Dion Dawkins, G, Temple (79) 63. Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama (79) 64. Desmond King, CB, Iowa (79) 65. Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington (79) 66. Derek Rivers, OLB, Youngstown (79) 67. Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan (79) 68. Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee (79) 69. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan (78) 70. Dan Feeney, G, Indiana (78) 71. Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech (78)* 72. Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State (78) 73. Raekwon McMillan, ILB, Ohio State (78)* 74. Marcus Williams, S, Utah (78)* 75. Jermaine Eluemunor, OT, Texas A&M (78) 76. Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (78) 77. Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (77)* 78. Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh (77) 79. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M (77) 80. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (77)* 81. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (77) 82. Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa (77) 83. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina (76) 84. Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech (76)* 85. DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (76) 86. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (76) 87. Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU (75) 88. Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State (75)* 89. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State (75) 90. D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (75)* 91. Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova (75) 92. Dorian Johnson, G, Pittsburgh (75) 93. Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (75) 94. Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn (75) 95. Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (75) 96. Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (74) 97. Duke Riley, ILB, LSU (74) 98. ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama (74)* 99. Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU (73)* 100. Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn (73)* 101. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio (72) 102. Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (72) 103. Alex Anzalone, ILB, Florida (71)* 104. Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State (71)* 105. Zach Banner, OT, USC (70) 106. Antonio Garcia, G, Troy (70) 107. Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (70) 108. Cole Hikutini, TE, Louisville (70) 109. John Johnson, S, Boston College (70) 110. Davis Webb, QB, California (70) This is a good draft to have compensatory selections stockpiled in the third round. I have seven more players with third-round grades this year than I did at this point in 2016. This subset of prospects is a great example of the tight end depth in this class. I have five TEs in Tier 6 and nine players at the position in Tiers 1-6. Last year's numbers at the position? One TE in Tier 6 and just four in Tiers 1-6. Don't overlook South Alabama's Gerald Everett. He has played football only since his senior year in high school, but he has the speed, athleticism and ball skills to become a pass-catching mismatch in the NFL.
So if someway at 25 you have Lattimore, Hooker, Ramczyk, Foster, Howard, and Mahomes? Which of you would want the Texans to pick Mahomes?
Here's what I'm leaning on... As much as I like Mahomes, I don't think he'll be there. In the first, take a tackle... Bolles, Robinson, or Ramczyk. I the second, trade up for Webb. I think Webb may be the best QB in this draft. Especially if Mahomes goes bust, which just depends on the situation he gets drafted into.
Interesting take on Webb considering he ended up transferring out of Tech because of Mahomes. Agree with a OT in the 1st, glaring hole on the right side which has been inexplicably unaddressed.
Baylor notable prospects: Kyle Fuller, C KD Cannon, WR Ishmael Zamora, WR Seth Russell, QB Orion Stewart, SS Ryan Reid, CB Shock Linwood, RB LSU Notable prospects: Jamal Adams, SS Leonard Fournette, RB TreDavious White, CB Duke Riley, OLB Ethan Pocic, C
Random take.. everyone bashes the fact that Mahomes was part of an air raid offense, not sure what offense Cal runs, but maybe its good that Webb was pushed out and let Mahomes be better at that offense while he went and did work elsewhere. just a thought, I have no idea when it comes to QBs.
I'd def be down with OT in the first...but I wouldn't say its been inexplicably unaddressed. It's not worth throwing 10 million a year on a FA that doesn't deserve that kind of money.
NFL COMPARISON Brock Osweiler BOTTOM LINE System quarterback with more than 65 percent of his attempts coming inside of 10 yards. Webb has enough raw talent to be considered a developmental prospect, but his decision-making and accuracy issues beyond 10 yards is a big red flag that might be tough to overcome in the NFL.-Lance Zierlein
Agreed except that only Ricky Wagner got close to that kind of money. All other RT FAs were signed to way cheaper deals which could also indicate the quality of the FA class. But maybe they're fine with a rookie and Chris Clark duo at RT...
We've had a lot of quarterbacks Bob said were really really smart. Fitz was really really smart. It's the comments about Webb and the red flags in decision making and accuracy issues that scare me about considering a guy like that. But......Bob likes guys who are really really smart.
We've had a lot of quarterbacks Bob said were really really smart. Fitz was really really smart. It's the comments about Webb and the red flags in decision making and accuracy issues that scare me about considering a guy like that. But......Bob likes guys who are really really smart.
