uhm, no – it was 7 and three were more productive. rivers wasn't among the group; manning, smith, harrington and losman were all former first round picks; manning and smith #1 overall. i have no idea what brunell, huard or garrad make. what i find fascinating about camp anti-carr… gary ****ing kubiak, who, you know, owns a super bowl ring or three, staked his entire career on david carr's talents, but apparently fans who sit in front of a tv every week know more about coaching a quarterback than the guy who's coached john elway and steve young and worked side-by-side with mike shanahan. amazing.
you know what??? this only goes so far. i'm not suggesting i know more about football than gary kubiak. but that doesn't mean he got this one right.
MM, he staked his ENTIRE REPUTATION on david carr. he had an out (not renewing the contract), as well as a certifiable, top-notch, would have made a large part of a restless fan base happy replacement land in his lap... and he STILL went with carr. and if he's wrong.... he sullies what has been a glistening reputation and possibly derails his career. considering what's a stake here, don't you think he and carr deserve a little more space and certainly time considering both of their careers are riding on this decision? besides, look at kubiak's other controversial, unpopular decision this year... seems to be paying off, no? maybe this guy does know what he's doing.....
which on of those super bowls did he play in? Head coach? not to belittle the fact but . . . I thought he was Elway's backup? Rocket River
I have faith in Kubiak being able to turn around a QB that has a strong arm, and throws with accuracy, that also happened to be exposed to terrible OTJ training on an expansion team that featured a PUTRID o-line, and marginal talent surrounding him. Especially considering that whatever he's done thus far (thru half a season) has yielded a positive result (albeit Carr isn't the MVP candidate that he would apparently have to be to satisfy most of you). I still think this team is better off, long-term, with Carr (assuming he continues to improve... which he has), and Mario Williams anchoring the defense.
He was the QB coach, and Shannahan's assistant head coach/offensive coordinator. The guy has credentials... if people are now going to start getting pissed about the hiring of Kubiak based on results so far, your expectations were severely misguided.
does carr deserve more time?? are you seriously asking ME that question? i think that's been asked and answered. i'm not telling you my opinion is right..i'm telling you it's my opinion. coaches and gm's screw up personnel decisions all the time. if carr goes next season, i promise kubiak will be here for some time thereafter. the "other" decision deserves a bit longer of a leash....after all, he just completed his 8th game. the other one just completed his 61st, i believe.
i think RR is saying kubiak might not be Jesus. that it's possible for him to make mistakes. as opposed to the old, "hey, he's getting paid to do this, and since you disagree with him and you're not getting paid to do this you must be wrong, and he must be right."
Of course... but if you start holding little trust in your head coach's decision in YEAR ONE of his regime, just 8 games in, you might as well fire that coach (or if you're a fan, go follow another team). Its just too bad that people thought Casserly/Capers were Jesus for a good 3 years before things started to change. Everybody bought into the idea that you had to have a QB to "start" a franchise (wrong). Everybody bought into the trade for Babin, or the drafting of Travis Johnson to fit the 3-4. Everybody bought into not wasting a first, second, or third round pick on "average" offensive line talent (forgetting that the o-line they did have was well below average). There's definitely room to be questionable/cautious of ANY move this franchise makes... however, i've seen Kubiak make improvement with this offense (Carr included). I've also seen Kubiak hold players accountable for when they don't get the job done (Carr included). This team has a legitimate shot to go 6-10 with their second-half schedule... that exceeds my expectations for this year (which were NOT high).
i'm not judging kubiak...who is in year 1 here. i'm judging carr...who is in year 5 here. i know, i know. none of it is his fault. he gets the benefit of every doubt and an entirely different standard than any other QB. i figure in another 5 years we might be able to make an assessment.
And Kubiak is the reason why David Carr is still here... Kubiak considers Carr's lack of progression from year 1-4 to be the result of poor coaching, no offensive line, and no supporting cast (all facts). Kubiak believes his coaching/schemes/tuteledge can help Carr improve... so far, it has. He'll continue to work with him... along with the offensive line (which is still below average). If you want to give black/white arguments like "Its Carr's 5th year in the league, he's a former first pick, he should be awesome now"... then I have no case. Obviously, my case is based on the context of Carr's teams, the context of the previous regimes' personell decisions, and the context of potential I believe Carr has.
Fix the o-line, get a good safety, and get an outside linebacker... you won't be complaining about this team anymore.
fix the o-line, get a good safety and get an outside linebacker...and you still have maybe one playmaker on offense.
To be contrite about this game, I was to some degree pleasantly surprised. The Giants game showed the Texans have SOME pride. The oddsmakers were punking them, the NY media were punking them. Hey pretty much everyone was PUNKING them. As a fan, I was extremely proud that despite overwhelming odds they fought like men. They didnt just roll over ... Yes, a loss is a loss but to see Carr showing some genuine enthusiasm was great. To see Mario showing some serious competitive spirit and not backing down to the Giants and their fans' taunts was tremendous. Hey, we could've been like TB the previous week. They played like they werent even there. Bottom line, Carr has to start becoming the leader of this team. Maybe this game was a bit of a start. I for one am glad he started yelling at some of his teammates when they messed up. That means he CARES and wants to win. Yes, King and Dr Z (Zimmerman) are east coast jackasses. The Texans went out there and showed some competitive spirit and fire and I say HELL YEAH gives us more of that. That's how you play football. Finally, play with some freaking passion.
I thought it meant he was an overpaid baby, who is spoiled and is never held accountable... at least that's what I read 2 pages ago. What to believe... sigh.
IMHO the Texans should be thinking defense (OLB, FS, SS, DB, DT) with the majority of their picks come April. As far as the O-line, I think you replace Weigert at guard and with Spencer coming back to man LT the line should be fine, they have looked pretty good this season (as far as protection). There have been some really bad draft decisions made by the former coach and GM. The Babin deal was completely moronic. I don't know what pissed me off more, that we traded a second, third, fourth and swapped fifth round picks with a division rival (the Titans of all teams) or the fact that it was for a guy that no one heard of and never played the position they were going to put him at (converting an undersized DE to OLB). The Buchanon trade I was vehemently against just as much as the drafting of David Carr. I wanted Peppers (or a trade down to get Shockey), I never bought into the whole talk of he doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme, with a talent like that you find a way to make him fit. I sat at BW3 that day the only guy not cheering the Texans' first pick. But almost five years later I'll root for the guy that I booed that day because he is the QB of our team and I want him to succeed because that will lead to success for the team.
again, go back and look at moon's first four years; you would have jettisoned him, too. elway, like moon, also threw more INTs than TDs early in his career (47 to 52 in his first full three years); same with aikman (54/60 in his first four full years); steve young didn't throw more TDs than INTs in a season until - hey, what do you know - he left TB and went to SF. those are, off the top of my head, the four most recent HoF QB inductees. know their teams' combined records during those years mentioned? 89-115. kubiak is tied to carr; his developement, or lack thereof, will be both men's legacies. if you're not judging kubiak, then you're giving him a pass on carr... and making excuses for his failure as a coach.
Well, I can only go on what I see and clearly in Tennessee the way he acted and played ... he looked like an OVERPAID spoiled baby. In NY on Sunday, he looked like a man leading. Yes, stats are misleading because they rarely tell the entire story of the game and the team. In some ways that appeared to be Carr's best game even though 0 and 0 TDs/INTs. He showed more determination. He wasnt rolling over out there, he was fighting. He was battling. He wasnt giving up. That's what I'm talking about. We played with some pride for once ... If Carr would have played with THIS much purpose and determination in TN, he would NOT have gotten benched and we would've won that damn game. I call them the way I see them, Nick.
Don't worry... I agree with everything you said. I wasn't questioning your judgement at all. I was merely pointing out how differnent people can look at Carr getting mad at his teammates, and one interprets it as "being a leader, showing he cares, etc.", and the other interprets it as "being a baby." People are going to see what they want to out of Carr... if they hate him, they'll notice his faults and discount his strong points. If they don't hate him, they'll be more impartial. I don't know of anybody who flat-out "loves" Carr based on his play... people might think he's good looking, but nobody is enamored over him to the level that some people were with Yao (before he finally started becoming consistent).
