you're right. there's nothing more we should expect. this is david carr at his very best. congratulations.
don't be so pissy - i asked a fair, legitimate question, and would like to read an equally fair, legitimate answer: what more did you want yesterday?
This is year 1 of a new regime, with a coach that can actually teach the guy something about how to be a NFL QB. If you're still expecting him to "build" off the previous 4 years, you're bound to be dissapointed. Most of the more "level-headed" people that are commenting on this situation (Pallilo, Gannon, Aikman) maintain that the previous 4 years were garbage, and expecting Carr to be a typical "year 5" QB with this team's makeup is simply naive. If the guy fails to improve up to Kubiak's desire by the end of this year, he'll make the decision to go another direction. But, he has improved in many ways through 50% of the season (against pretty tough opponents), and has a chance to get even better as the rest of the season goes on.
You can say what you will, but I just call it like I see it. In my opinion, there is something missing.
There was something missing from Drew Brees before his team got him some help (like O-lineman and LT). There's still something missing from Rex Grossman.
In regards to Brees, was there? I don't know. What's missing from Rex Grossman is the gravity that surrounds him. The guy plays on a team with a great defense. Alongside Reggie Bush, Grossman is probably the second most overrated player thus far in the NFL this season. I've yet to be sucked into that hype machine.
Uhh... they used the #1 overall pick on a QB AFTER they had already had Brees for just 2-3 years (they traded Eli for Phillip Rivers, who was the #4 pick). Once the Chargers built a better TEAM, he showed he knew how to do several things that you normally can't do on a dysfunctional one (such as having time to survey the defense, pick out open men, not fear for your life everytime you drop back, throw deep passes with strength and accuracy). Carr and this team still have a long way to go before being able to evaluate the entire product fairly/adequately. Even then, he still may not turn out as "polished" as Brees ended up... but I'm still willing to give Kubiak the chance. I concur on Grossman.
Anyone who couldn't see promise or frankly get Muthaf-in pumped when he scored that TD doesn't need to be watchin football, that one play took more heart than anything he has ever done and frankly it had me screamin his name, good on ya DC. Shut up the haters once and for all.
wali lundy DID drop a third down pass that would have generated a 1st down at the giant 25 on the game's opening drive. kris brown DID then miss a FG that would have given houston an 3-0 lead. jamal cook DID fumble at the giant 35 with 5:23 remaining and the team trailing by 4. please point out the hypothetical nonsense.
You know what Nick, I think anyone could look at the way things transpired in San Diego and pull out their jump to conclusions mat and suggest what you just said. The reason I said that I don't know is because I wasn't there as a fan of that team. I didn't watch every Charger game as I have with the Texans. I don't know what the criticisms of Brees were. And if such critcisms or opinions were on or off base. I mean, I could jump to the stat book and tell you that when they made the decision to draft Rivers, Brees had thrown more interceptions than touchdowns and had a completion percentage less the 60%. But saying that still does not due me any justice because I just don't know what was going on over there. I don't know if the same parallels could be drawn between Brees and Carr both good or bad. But in regards to Carr, I've seen enough to to make an assessment that something is missing.
what more did i want? i didn't say he had a bad game. i said he had a very average game. he threw for less than 200 yards. he didn't throw a TD or an INT. his team lost. that's pretty pedestrian.
carr: 21/30, 176 YDS, 0/0, 1 rushing TD, 1 sack manning: 17/28, 179 YDS, 1/1, 0 rushing TD, 2 sacks sometimes, winning and losing requires 21 of the other people on the field to do their jobs, too. case in point, seven of the 12 victorious teams yesterday had qbs throwing for less than 200 yards. what's interesting is that 4 of those 7 generated 1 or fewer TDs; same # as carr. those that were more, let's say, "productive" [harrington: 3/2; huard: 3/0; garrad: 3/0] all had running backs that rushed for 135+ yards: brown, MIA: 157 yards; lj, KC: 174 yards; taylor + drew, JAX, 135 yards... probably all just coinsidences, though.
I think it's naive to assume that a player can only be expected to improve with a good coach. QB's should improve through experience, regardless of coaching. A player is going to learn a whole lot from being on the field and watching film and stuff - far more so than he is from a coach. Saying you can't evaluate 4 years of a 4 1/2 year career due to a bad coach (never mind said coach took a team to the Superbowl) and bad GM (never mind bad GM brought him a pro-bowl receiving target and a 1000 yard rusher) is just silly.
So in other words, 8 of the 12 were more productive than Carr. And probably only one (Manning) is paid anywhere near #1 pick money (Rivers is close as well, I assume). Outstanding. I think this game was good to see what Carr is at his best. He played extremely well yesterday for the most part - and put up pedestrian numbers. At his best, he seems like a pretty good game manager. The problem is that you can find a game manager a whole lot cheaper than him.
uhm... what? i know; they've been ridiculously generous, haven't they? btw, since they drafted peyton manning, the colts have given him edgerrin james, reggie wayne, dallas clark and joseph addai, all first round offensive talents. he also has a former first round pick playing left tackle. carr's currently playing with ONE first round pick. oh, and btw, of the texans' 9 2nd and 3rd round picks, 4 - FOUR - are out of football and a 5th (gaffney) is buried on the depth chart of his third team and likely done any second considering his stat line for 2006 reads 1 catch, 4 yards.
I really don't want to get into this debate, just have to say that one play in a game they lost in a decent performance doesn't make up for anything, at least not to shut up anyone once and for all.
Exactly. He didnt get the win (the most important part). And once again, although he did not loose the game, he did not WIN it either. htrowing for under 200 yds is average at best. He was a #1 overall pick and he has still shown nothing. I am expecting him to pass for 200-300 yds a game. he doesnt have to do that every game, but he has to do it more than 1. He is not a rookie, he isn't going to develope anymore. he is what he is; a bad leader, a baby, and a Loser.
