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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. rhino17

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    I know, its absurd. Running back and quarterback and maybe offensive tackle are the ONLY positions that should not be looked at in the draft or free agency
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    No, it isn't, and no, it shouldn't.

    If you think you're going to find a better QB than Schaub, as if they can just be found on the street, or you think it is worth wasting time and resources on finding another QB, then sorry, but you're nuts.

    Schaub's ratio of games where he's brought this team back from behind vs. games where he has cost us wins is something like 4:1. I'll take his 2-3 boneheaded game-killing gaffes a year to ultimately receive his 10-11 amazing games/drives.

    If you think Matt Schaub is the problem with this team, then you either have it out for him (DD), or you simply aren't paying attention.

    Is Schaub ever going to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? No. But he gives us a lot more than he takes, and there aren't a whole hell of a lot of QBs in the NFL that can even make that modest claim. He's here to stay.
     
  3. msn

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    Critical series (not a drive, of course) in the fourth quarter. Foster: zero touches.

    Congrats, Gary. This one's on you.
     
  4. rockets934life

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    Not saying replace Schaub, grooming a QB and finding a replacement is two different things. Schaub is a good QB and you can win with him but your defending him way to much. He CAN NOT make the mistakes he made last night when your season is on the line...I WILL NOT accept that.

    Another example was last year vs the Cards, he lead a fantastic comeback and looked really good but once the game was in his hands he threw a pick 6 and then everyone blames Chris Brown for getting stuffed but EVERYONE forgets that Schaub missed a WIDE OPEN Dressen a few plays before. Last night was another game where he made a great comeback only to make the CRUCIAL mistake that cost us dearly.

    Comparing him to an average QB, of course he is great but I want a GREAT QB not a good one. AGAIN NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR A REPLACEMENT but a 3rd or 4th rd pick on a QB to develop isn't a bad idea. If the Packers had kept Favre in place and not drafted Rodgers, where would they be today or how about the Pats having a productive Bledsoe but still drafting Brady and how about the Chargers drafting Rivers when they had, at that time, a healthy Brees?
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    So you don't want to replace him, yet you WILL NOT accept his play?

    More selective memory from you. Schaub did eff up in the cardinals game, but he STILL brought the team with a chance to win it. There were at least 8-9 examples last year of Matt bringing the team back with a chance to tie or win the game. You can't point to a couple of mistakes and say it is some kind of pattern, especially when you ignore all of the good things that go with it.

    3rd or 4th rounder?? Are you serious??? with THIS defense...?????

    Comparing Schaub to Favre...? He's 7 years younger than Favre when they drafted Rodgers!

    Brady was drafted in the 6th round... 199th overall! He was a total afterthought and not meant to supplant Bledsoe... it was absolute dumb luck.

    The season leading up to the Chargers drafting Rivers, Drew Brees' QB rating was 67.5. He flat out sucked. His contract was up at the end of the following year, and San Diego had essentially already cut ties with him.

    I thank baby jesus you are not running this team.
     
  6. rockets934life

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    So you are fine with his performance last night and are fine with all the times he has under thrown a guy or thrown into double coverage IN A CRUCIAL SITUATION? I'm not, do I want someone better..sure..do I think it's easy to find NO.

    AGAIN, I AM FINE WITH SCHAUB BUT GIVING HIM A PASS ON EVERYTHING IS NOT SMART.

    How is it selective memory, I stated he had a great comeback? Great he brought us back only to lose it at the end...fantastic rally but in the end IT WAS LOSS. He has rallied this team numerous time, again something I stated earlier, and what is our record under him? Obviously not all his fault but he is not void of any blame either, stop protecting your golden boy.

    Yes with this defense!!! So you want the whole draft to be about defense, right, well this organization has had fantastic success drafting defensive studs, hasn't it?!? They have had success finding offensive talent and one pick in the 3rd or 4th isn't going to kill your entire draft...come on now!

    Favre was a freaking LEGEND and they still drafted Rodgers, Schaub is not even elite. Brady was a 6th rd pick, fine, if 3rd or 4th isn't your cup of tea then lets do a 6th...all I'm saying is groom a QB and Brady was a second string QB, they must have thought he could at least play a little, no?

    On Brees, you have a point, I confused my 2003 and 2004 seasons.

    It appears you have blind faith in Schaub but what has he done? Guy has a losing overall record as our QB, not lead a team to the playoffs and has 1 winning season under his belt.

    GUY IS GOOD BUT LOOKING TO THE FUTURE ISN'T A BAD THING!!!
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    they guy has also led one of the top offenses in the last 2 years. It's not Schaub's fault he can't play defense.
     
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  8. rockets934life

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    Which is why I'm not advocating trading for a QB or trading the entire draft to get Andrew Luck. I don't think he needs to go all I'm saying is that it's time to draft a QB in the draft and groom him. Schaub's contract is up after 2012, if he leads us to the playoffs then okay but if he doesn't and isn't the answer, you have a young QB waiting in the wings.
     
  9. javal_lon

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    One thing I can say is that at least he hasnt regressed like Carson Palmer ....But he is playing terrible as a whole this season....I wouldnt use a draft pick on a QB this year...There will be plenty of available serviceable qb's available via free agency or waiver wire....Schaub will be ok after offsason conditioning/training/surgery.........we need to draft Bill COwher!!!
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    The plane is on fire and losing altitude and rockets934life is complaining that he got regular peanuts instead of honey roasted.

    Unbelievable, yet classic.
     
  11. REEKO_HTOWN

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    I like Matt but If we are going to blow this thing up with a new Defensive scheme (Cohwer 3-4) then we might as well think about drafting a QB for 2 years down the road. We need to focus on building around Foster. I pray for some Smash mouth football.
     
  12. Major

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    Rodgers and Rivers were first round picks. If that's what you're looking for, you're not going to find it in the 3rd or 4th rounds unless you simply get freakishly lucky like the Patriots did with Tom Brady.
     
  13. rockets934life

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    Donny, come on, again not saying the guy is trash or anything close to it. Your making it sound like I hate the guy and think he's worthless, not the case. We agree to disagree on this topic but I LIKE SCHAUB AND HAVE BACKED HIM THROUGH TOUGH TIMES AND HE IS THE LEAST OF OUR CONCERNS but last night raised some concerns about that guy.
     
  14. DieHard Rocket

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    Foster is great, but you don't build around RB's in the NFL. They don't stay this good for more than a few years with this much of a workload.

    Matt Schaub is good enough. He's not going to be washed up in two years. The focus needs to be strictly on building the defense, and possibly some upgrades to the o-line. Schaub is not good enough to carry you by himself, but he's good enough to win with a good supporting cast and defense.

    Bottom line is defense and play-calling is the problem right now.
     
  15. rockets934life

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    WOW, early press conference today.
     
  16. sammy

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    anyone have a recap? would love to hear his comments
     
  17. rockets934life

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    I don't have one but they it was the same #%$ different day. Wexler asked him about Bush again and he is sticking with him. He mentioned "they have to fight through it and get it right" along with "correcting mistakes". I don't recall anything else interesting, he did sound like the pressure was getting to him because a lot of his answers where kind of short.
     
  18. desihooper

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    For everything that Schaub does well, his three biggest weaknesses were on full display last night.

    1) lack of arm strength - He continually underthrows wide open WRs on that let the defense close the gap and prevent the scoring play (thankfully, we still scored on that drive). He also can't make the throw to the opposite sideline worth anything.

    2) lack of mobility outside the pocket - on that 3rd down play where he one-hopped a pass to Walter on the sideline, he could've probably made the play with his feet if he had any quicks.

    3) careless with the ball at times - Schaub is good for a strip-sack fumble pretty much every game. Compound that with a propensity to force throws into coverage, and that's not the recipe for winning football with a defense this bad.

    All that being said, he's competent. It's just a damn shame he needs to put up 30 points to win games this year. Can he sharpen up his play, yes. Is he a problem, WAY down the list, IMO.
     
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  19. msn

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    man, that's a good post.
     
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  20. Uprising

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    Has he always had that issue? I don't remember if he used to have issues with arm strength. I thought I remember AJ repeatedly beating players down field and receiving nice passes.

    but ya, his under thrown passes are just about imminent now.
     

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