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[Official] Texans Draft Day

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    This is what happens when you don't address your needs in free agency. You panic and take the Run stopping CB because whey were too scared to take the best talent.

    They reeeaaached and picked Jackson. There's no other way to say it.
     
  2. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

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    So you knew Chris Johnson was the best back in that draft class???

    I seriously doubt that.

    Stop b****in' they've made solid picks with Rick Smith and Kubiak at the helm in the first round, besides Travis Johnson (which I'm sure they were here for that pick) and Okoye which still has time to grow.

    Obviously they saw something in Jackson that made him go before Wilson and McCourty. If you fail to realize they fell so far cause more than just the Texans skipped on them at 20.
     
  3. gucci888

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    You're talking about Javier Arenas. While I'm not sure exactly who the #1 CB was, Arenas usually got more pub because of his special teams play. Never really heard anything about Jackson during the season, but maybe that's a good thing when it comes to being a CB.

    But now that I've given this pick more thought (and sober'd up), here's my two cents:

    Jackson is a tough CB who has started all but one game for one of the elite defenses in CFB. He's a very good tackler who might support the run better than any CB in the draft. His experience against top ranked opponents week in/out in the SEC maybe makes him one of the more NFL-ready CBs in the draft.

    With that said, I've read nothing that says Jackson is a shut-down corner. Sounds like he allows separation and has problem with quick/speedy WRs. While playing in the SEC has it's pros, Jackson hasn't exactly had much experience against high-powered passing offenses. Defenses in the SEC are geared towards stopping the run so I do think he's gonna have a steep learning curve when it comes to covering NFL WRs.

    Overall, I do think a guy like Kyle Wilson, who has proven to be a shut-down CB in a pass happy conference, would have been the better pick. Wilson also would have provided something in the return game which would have been a much needed bonus IMO. But I'm going to respect the pick because Smith/Kubiak have made the right decision more often than not when it comes to drafting players, can't say that I'm not slightly disappointed though.
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    well i was pretty shocked. I expected wilson or Mccourty. Kareem wasnt even on my radar.

    But after reading up a little i can understand the reasoning behind taking him. Played against better competition and seems to be more well rounded than the other two guys.

    Texans needed someone "nfl ready" and Kareem does seem like there will not be too much adjutment needed since 1) he's played against the best in college and 2) he's familiar with a complex defensive scheme

    We'll see. Wilson sure sounded good but there was obviously something that scared teams off for him to be the 4th CB taken.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

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    Hey, if it's good enough for HillBoy (the bbs's most infamous Texans critic), it's good enough for me! ;)
     
  6. weslinder

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    I couldn't care less. If they pick the best player for them available, to me as a fan, it doesn't matter where he was picked. And if he turns out to be a good NFL corner, it won't matter in a year or two to anyone else.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    And the coach of the best Defense in the AFC was happy to snatch him right up, hmmmm :rolleyes:


    Oh, and the point is that claiming "Scouts, inc." like they are the best scouting site is just stupid and justification to make you feel happy.
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    I think NFL ready is a good way to put it. Nick Saban doesn't mess around.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. rockets934life

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    I kind of feel the same way, I wonder if they wouldn't target Nate Allen from S.Florida. That would really improve the secondary a great deal and you could still probably get Tate or even Dwyer at RB in the 3rd.
     
  10. RedRaiderRocket

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    I know a pick would never make everyone happy but it is too early to think the Texans reached or made the wrong pick before they played 1 single pre season game. The reason why people freak out dramatically is because they go by mock drafts and see the Texans drafted a guy few people had slotted to go later on. Now I am not saying I know more about these players than anyone but I could claim myself an "expert" like many of the great espn analysts but I am not going to. If the Texans thought Jackson was the 2nd best cb in the draft they tried to trade down but couldn't so they had no choice but to draft who they thought was best for their team. The Texans probably spent a good time evaluating this guy more than anyone on this board or the so called experts. Let the guy play before we persecute the Texans management.
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    well CB was a need for them. They were probably going to take whichever fell to them. How do you know that Kareem wasnt in their sites? afterall, Kareem's style fits much better with the Jets defensive philosophy.


    Wes, he will never be happy. The guy could turn out to be a probowler and Reeko would just find something else to gripe about.
     
  12. HillBoy

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    Well, given their rather crappy record in free agency, I'm OK with them being quiet this year. But Jackson is not a reach. I predict that you will be pleasantly surprised at how good this kid can play. He's a lockdown CB who can play bump n run. As I posted earlier, the kid comes from a big time program and has been trained by one of the best in Saban. Plus, he's played on a championship team. That was what tilted the arrow toward him. The way the game is being played now on defense, having good corners allows you scheme more aggressively on defense - think NYJ & NO. I can't wait to see how Bush uses this kid.
     
  13. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    How is it a need when they have two Pro bowl corners already?

    They went BPA on defense and it was obvious. I see a Shut down corner in Wilson. If Kareem can turn into that I will gladly eat crow.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Cromartie is not a pro bowl corner and hasn't been since 2007.

    And them drafting Kyle Wilson pretty much blatantly states that they do not have a lot of confidence in him.
     
  15. FLASH21

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    Because he fell! Dur!!!

    That was a luxury pick for them, they have almost everything they need except a WR to make another postseason run. (Dez Bryant could have been that if it weren't for dumb a** Jerry)

    Do you think they're really that comfortable with handing the starting job to the wack job Cromartie next to Revis without a back up plan?

    No one doubted that he would be a 1st round pick but as mentioned before he was the FOURTH cornerback taken, that doesn't tell you something.

    I just see you falling in love with the mock drafters picks and not really giving this game a bit of a chance because you only know the names that BSPN are throwing around.
     
  16. DieHard Rocket

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    Don't know why I'm even responding to you in the Texans forum, but...

    Mike Mayock's Mock Draft had Kareem Jackson at 23.

    Rick Gosselin's Mock Draft had Jackson going at 25.

    We didn't "reach" for him at 20. Two of the most respected draft analysts had him going shortly after we picked him. Granted, basically every mock had Wilson ahead of Jackson, but there has to be a reason that nobody in the first 27 picks took him and nobody felt compelled to trade up for him. We needed an immediate impact player, and Jackson is more ready and more proven than Wilson.

    You can argue that Wilson is a better potential talent (and even then, none of us know because we haven't studied the game tape on any of these guys), but we can't afford to sit around with our lackluster talent at the position for Wilson to be groomed. And we tried to address the need in free agency, but Bodden chose to sign elsewhere. That's all you can ask.
     
  17. REEKO_HTOWN

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    With the Jets Defensive Line I'm sure even Reeves would be in the pro-bowl.

    Imagine Cromartie.
     
  18. HillBoy

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    Hey, chill out a bit here. No need to make those dinner plans just yet. They don't have two Pro Bowl corners anymore. While it's true that Wilson played in a pass-happy conference and is probably the better cover corner, his lack of size may have given the Texans some concerns about durability. Everything I've read about Jackson starts off with how tough he is as a player. I'd rather have a tough player who can stay on the field and contribute than one with greater skill but isn't as durable. All of that ability is useless standing on the sidelines because of injury.
     
  19. moestavern19

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    Cromartie was the worst starting CB in the NFL in 2008 according to a scout's assessment based on stats nobody ever looks at for CBs (yards allowed, yards allowed per pass thrown at).

    Cromartie gave up something ridiculous like 950 passing yards that season, the 2nd worst CB was barely at 800.
     
  20. wallyj12

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    Which cornerback on the free agent market did you want us to pick up? Resign Dunta for 10 million plus, a move that would contradict your so called "panic move" by OVERPAYING for a declining cornerback because you have no other options. Physically Force Leigh Bodden (a stop gap cornerback) to sign with us? A cornerback was going to be taken in the first two rounds regardless. I want to see these mocks and big boards your looking at. "Fat Freddy's One Stop Football & Rub Out" site and "Jimmy's Basement Mock 2010" might have Wilson rated WAY HIGHER but more legitimate sites like ESPN/Scouts INC (Jackson rated #19, Wilson #24) and NFL.com had Wilson graded an 8.4 and Jackson an 8.3....OH NO!!! Jackson was rated a WHOLE .1 behind Wilson!!! Why Rick Smith is still alive because of this just blows my mind.

    And run stopping cornerback?

    Per ESPN.com

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/rounds

    Per NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/kareem-jackson?id=496735

    I've read both, that he's good and inconsistent against the run but just because he's a physical defended doesnt mean he's a LOS type player only.

    I haven't read one SINGLE negative review from a LEGITIMATE source. Jackson is being labeled as the most NFL ready defensive back prospect in this entire draft, but I'm sure if we drafted Toby Gerhert at 20 you would just now be waking up from that coma you put yourself in from blowing your load
     

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