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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. Rocket River

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    Therefore Carr is blameles. . . I think we all got what ya saying :rolleyes:

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  2. VesceySux

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    I don't know. KC is giving the Texans a run for their money right now in the inept department.
     
  3. hatemavs4life

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    You knew Big Ben would come back with a fury and soon. Looks like this week was the coming back to reality week all around.
     
  4. hatemavs4life

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    Here's a thought ... for what it's worth, the Dynamo are in the playoffs and maybe they bridge it to the Rox where the Stros couldnt get it done.
     
  5. HillBoy

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    No he is NOT blameless! He sucked today as well. He got flustered with the game plan and made mistakes and got his ass benched. But what gets to me is that you guys can consistently jump on his case but can't see the ineptitude that's everywhere on this so-called team. Canning Carr won't enable them to run the football, cover opposing receivers, pressure the opposing QB or even get off decent punts. The Texans have problems everywhere yet all you want to do is continually point fingers at Carr because it's easier than facing the truth: that this is most likely a 2-14 or 1-15 team. One final question: Did you or anyone else here actually believe that this team was capable of beating the Cowboys today?
     
  6. CometsWin

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    We may still be a pitiful joke if we select Brady Quinn but we'd be a pitiful joke with promise. That promise is something we don't have with David Carr. He was the #1 pick overall, he's being paid like a top line QB, and apparently his potential as a QB is like a 40 year old Vinny Testaverde... manage the game and don't lose it for us. His lack of development has crushed this organization. Blame whoever you want.
     
  7. halfbreed

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    No, please God not Brady Quinn.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I am most surprised that the Texans have ZERO running game, I figured that Kubiak's system would get decent production out of someone.

    And, it is mind boggling that Dominick Davis is rotting on IR, when they could have just given him 6 more weeks to see if his knee responded....

    DD
     
  9. DrewP

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    bwahahaha
     
  10. HillBoy

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    If Carr isn't developed then the blame should go to the Texans' organization that did absolutely nothing to help him develop. Do you honestly feel that Palmer or Brady or Roethlisberger would look the same if they had traded places with Carr? I can guarantee you that you'd be saying the exact thing about them that you are now saying about Carr. You put Carr behind that Steeler line and give him Bettis & Parker to hand off to instead of letting him get sacked 200 times and it would be a different situation altogether. But for reasons I've yet to determine, everybody wants to blame Carr for the sins of this organization which I don't find neither fair nor warranted. But that's just me.
     
  11. solid

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    In the NFL, when you have NO running game, you are in deep trouble. When you can't make third and one, time and time again you might want to try something else. A very uninspiring performance. I didn't expect a win, but this team is embarassing itself. Outclassed by a mediocre team. The Cowboys aren't exactly on a championship roll, playoffs maybe, but unlikely. The Eagles and Giants in their own division appear to be better teams. Colts, Bears, etc. are at a different level. I guess the Texans are still the worst team in the NFL until they prove otherwise. The Saints are starting to look legit.
     
  12. msn

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    Come on, I'm huge in DCarr's corner but he is culpable for some of today as well.

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    Now, about that secondary -- holy crap! Was I the only one on that long TO touchdown in the corner shouting, "RUN FORREST RUN!!!" at our dimwitted corner? He was six inches from the back of the end zone; what on earth was he looking at? HEY FORREST, TURN THE HELL AROUND AND INTERCEPT THE BALL!!! :mad:

    The runningbacks sucked almost as bad as the o-line. Last year they couldn't run-protect; this particular game they could do neither.

    But when DC did have time, he *still* kept dumping it underneath, and with a secondary as good as the cowgirls, you're not going to keep getting first downs like that.

    All in all, the second half was a steaming pile of crap.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

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    I think folks way overestimated the "system." SInce even the best system relies on talent. DEN had more talented linemen than the Texans have. And I won't even try to compare the Texan running backs to DEN's...
     
  14. hatemavs4life

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    The major problem is: we havent built this team with any significant depth or we have overrated the talent we've picked.

    Example: We could have gotten DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, Marcus Spears, Jammal Brown. Instead we got Travis "why did we pick him?" Johnson.

    Gave up 3 picks for Jason Babin.

    Some examples of paying for earlier stupidity in the draft. It has to get better because it really cant get any worse. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Desert Scar

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    You guys (Texan fans) are totally overreacting.

    -Reggie Bush would not have helped much. He wouldn't have helped the interior running (needed to help Carr and keep the DE's from wide angles) and wouldn't have helped defensely. If you watched the Saints game even with Deuce out Reggie Bush was not their between the tackles runner, they went with Stecker. Bush is part of an explosive and tough offense, but he is still about the 4th most important offensive player in the Saints turn around. Adrian Pederson, somewhat of a blend of Bush and Deuce IMO would offer a load more help to the Texans' offense (and help the defense by allowed the Texans to get some balance and ball control offense).

    -In the 1st half Carr and Mario looked good to me. They were playing a vastly superior opponent (across the board, startiung with trenches) and held in there and made plays. After a while the talent differential was too much (and special teams blunders) and the game got out of hand (same thing happened for Tenn and VY by the way). The Cowboys are an excellent team, the only they keeping them from the top 8 or so is QB play. Believe me, as a Boys fan I'd love to have Carr back there (and suggested this trade where the Houston takes VY and Hou gets Dallas 1st, oh well).

    -I can see you guys are probably going to be lived if Tenn beats you in 2 weeks, this is very plausible if not likely.

    But honestly from mostly an outsider I can't say affirmatively the Texans are in the wrong direction (I can say this about Oakland for instance) or blew the draft. Ya'll have some great pieces. You just a couple more (AP looks great to me) and lots of average pieces. Got to revisit this in 3 years.

    That was because he had a bum ankle and absolutely had to stay in bounds to keep the clock rolling. Anything but a fumble or running OB and they all but had the game in the hand, and he made the smart football leadership play.

    Ditto. I'd trade you Bledsoe and our 1st rounder next year for David Carr.

    Except for 1 wide run, Bush was off the field when NO had to get their last 1st downs to all but secure the game. Earily familar. Look, he is a fine player, terrific in space, but he sure as heck isn't an offense or even a running game in of himself, and is still a situational guy rather than a workhorse.
     
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  16. CometsWin

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    I already said blame whoever. The parts around Carr are an issue but to insinuate that Carr could have led the Patriots or Steelers to a Super Bowl is just crazy. He can't even get the respect of scrubs on a bad team. Carr is basically a nintendo QB. He's got a great arm, good size, and he can run. He doesn't have good vision in seeing the whole field, he doesn't have leadership skills, he doesn't have presence in the pocket, he doesn't feel the rush, he doesn't recognize defenses well, etc. etc. and on and on.
     
  17. lpbman

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    Drew Brees has been good in the 4th quarter this season. I can't count the ways the Saints have gotten better since last year or even two years ago.
     
  18. Desert Scar

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    IMO Roethlisberger is the most overrated QB in the league. (I said this before this season). I think there is a great chance the Stealers with Carr would have had their success. Ben has actually sucked more in playoff games than he has played well in them, and the Stealers have won some of those (Jets, Hawks) in spite of him. I will give Ben credit for 1 play, his hustle and tackle of Harper saved the season for Pitt. But I think Carr could have made that tackle too.

    Big Ben is the perfect example of what a great defense, great oline, great #1 WR and solid other skills players will do for a QB's reputation by keeping him in low-risk high probability of success plays. Carr is stuck in the reverse.
     
  19. hatemavs4life

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    Big Ben 16 of 19 238 yds 2 TDS, 0 Ints. He also has a running game to work with that helps.
     
  20. lpbman

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    I agree completly that Reggie Bush isn't the perfect back for Houston. He's more the turbocharger on top a built motor, while the Texans needed a bottom end rebuild, and made a reasonable call in drafting Mario. But if you don't think he would help the Texans, A LOT, you're either delusional or wrong. I don't know if you see the flashes of brilliance, but I'm pretty sure every defensive coordinator in the NFL has, and is planning accordingly.

    David Carr bootleg to Reggie on third downs prob wouldn't make any difference... ;)
     

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