You have to be joking there are plenty of instances of players making a difference with nearly the same supporting cast that were there before and making the team play a lot better. Joe Montana goes to the KC Chiefs and instantly makes them better. Warren Moon does the same to the Minnesota Vikings. Dan Marino comes in as a rookie and makes his team better. The league is LITTERED with players that make a difference and INSPIRE their teamates to play harder and better, if you can't see this than we should stop right now, we just will never agree. You see David Carr does not command respect, he is not the type of player that others look up to as a leader, someone they will follow into battle. I don't know what you do in life, but I guarantee you have seen people that are natural leaders, and those are the guys that generally acheive greatness or inspire people to be more than they were before they got there. History is again, LITTERED with leaders that made a difference, this is an indisputable fact, all I am questioning is whether David Carr is a leader, or has leadership qualities. I DON'T SEE IT ! Don't be ridiculous, clearly it is not all David Carr's fault. But neither were the 3 batted down balls the team's fault. Nor a couple of the sacks where Carr held onto the ball too long their fault. It is a TEAM game, no doubt, Carr is just one contributing member to the collapse, but he is arguably the most important one. Thank YOU ! That is what I am saying. So.....making a grammatical mistake invalidates the argument....HOW exactly? Again attacking the messenger instead of the content of the message. I watch the games just like you, my opinion apparently is vastly different, and at least I can always go....SCOREBOARD...... Your sarcasm is dripping but your content is weak. Not that it matters, but I was watching both games pretty much at the same time, I have multiple HDTV's which allow me to do that, I only payed attention to the Titan's game when VY went in to play and he looked pretty good from the get go, and even on his interception it was the correct READ on a Blitz, he just underthrew it. I freely admit that the 4 years of beatings may have ruined David Carr forever, will you? When VY entered the game, there was a NOTICABLE difference in how the team responded a bounce in their step, a significant boost in confidence and performance - but this is about Carr, remember. All of those are factors, I have never said they weren't, however I think Carr is also lacking in several of the things you listed, most noticably, numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, all factors into why he is the sorry QB he is today. What a load of crap, you are making up numerous excuses as to why David Carr stinks, yet all the time saying...well, he stinks because......You are certainly a David Carr apologist, stop hiding and come out and talk to Dr. Phil you need help. I agree, David Carr has been beaten down, heck the whole TEAM has been beaten down for 4+ years. It is clearly a confidence issue, with Carr, and the WHOLE team. Now what would a leader do if he saw his team lacking confidence...hmmmmmm??? I guess we will have to wait until Carr matures to find out....maybe in another 4 years, right? This thread was supposed to be about the Colts and Texans, I put my prediction, I did not intend to get into it with fans who clearly are happy with Carr, Que cera cera. DD
I do think Lendale White is a better pro prospect at RB than Bush, but time will tell. I don't believe that Carr commands any respect, I don't see it in his teamates, but whatever, difference of opinions are tough to argue. DD
Ric, There are plenty of QBs that are leaders and have the intangibles, if you can't acknowledge that fact, then we are wasting our time.
Yes, yes, thanks for your valuable contribution Moe, It has made us all that much more intelligent. I have at least 100 good posts....guaranteed..... DD
I think Montana, Moon, and Marino made their teams better because they were more talented than the person they replaced...I dont think its because of their inspiration on the field...they were just better players.
A fair point about how one person can make a difference by their own individual talent. I guess what I am trying to say is that they make everyone else around them better. Sort of like Magic Johnson in basketball. DD
whats funny is there are a lot of people like DaDa out there. Ex lifelong Oiler fans (who may or may not have moved away from Houston) trying to be Texan fans, but they sure aren't making it easy to be one. Just hasn't clicked for me and most other people I know. We're giving them every chance to suck us in but its just not happening. Its annoying because I never thought this would happen when the franchise was awarded to Bob McNair.
really? KC was 10-6 and 10-6 and a playoff team in the two years preceding montana; 11-5 and 9-7 with him and then… wait, this is really great; you’ll love it – 13-3 the year after he retired. oh, and with steve bono as their qb. it gets worse (or better, from my perspective)… minnesota’s record in the two years prior to warren moon: 11-5 and 9-7; 0 zero playoff victories. their records with moon? 10-6, 8-8, 9-7; 0 zero playoff victories. what a differencemaker! two seasons after moon left, btw, they were 15-1. and I’ve saved the best for last… really? so dan marino made the defending afc champions better, huh? do you think they made it to the super bowl because they knew they’d be drafting marino a year later and that the mere knowledge of putting such a great leader on their team inspired them to play better? (note: since others will, you should really look things up before blinding posting them. otoh, i now know what albert puljos feels like when brad lidge is on the mound, so thanks for providing that thrill…) nope; sorry, i don’t work or spend a great deal of time in fantasyland where leaders make people capable of overcoming their own physical and mental shortcomings. nor does he need these fictional ideals to be a successful quarterback. but even if he did need them, you’ve made this determination from your couch? why? do you realize the colts were 32-32 in manning’s first four years? they actually got a coach fired and that was with harrison & faulk/james on the roster. it takes more than one person to make a team go or collapse. And it certainly has nothing to do with magical “leadership” powers. it doesn’t. making an asinine statement like, vy showed more leadership in 7 plays than carr has in 4 years invalidates the argument. before it even starts. gosh darn, if only there’d been another leader there to inspire vince to throw the ball better… too bad. uhmmmmm….. DD, that’s pretty much all i’ve done. then why you’d bring him up? and of course there was a noticeable difference – it gave every one in the stadium a break from watching kerry collins set the position back 35 years. who wouldn’t be excited? but back to your non-sensical point: the titans’ confidence was so buoyed by vy…. that they didn’t score for another 22 minutes and lost to one of the worst teams in football last year. at home. (groan) a dr. phil reference… i wrote that… last november. i haven’t seen anything i’ve liked from carr since roughly october of 2004. and i thought he looked terrible in preseason, too. but he looked better last week. it’s a start. they’re gonna lose 11-13 games anyway; might as well give kubiak the year to see what he can do; it’s hurting no one but whiney longhorn fans.
True, I am trying to get into the Texans but I really don't like their moves as an organization, starting with David Carr. I clearly am not a fan of David Carr, but I do want the Texans to succeed. DD
So WTF are you arguing about, you don't like Carr either? You also clearly don't believe in leadership making a difference, we will never agree, but most Super Bowl championship teams have a good leader at QB.... Your argument is that the rest of the team makes a difference, I won't dispute that fact, I concur. However, there are plenty of cases of players that make others around them better, in all sports, yet you disagree....ok, whatever. (Steve Nash anyone). DD
For a QB to develop pocket presence he first needs a pocket in which to play in. You can take Brady, Rothesburger, Palmer, Aikman, whoever and drop them into the offensive hell that Carr has lived in for the past 4 years and I guarantee you DD that you would be saying the same things about them as well. Carr has the athletic and technical ability to be a top-tier QB - you have to be able to see that. Kubiak is trying to revive a left-for-dead QB in Carr who unfortunately, has been forced to develop his skills in Dom Capers "Three Stooges" system (Capers-Palmer-Casserly) and it will take at least a year for him to turn this around. Progress for Carr will come once the O-Line picks up the new blocking scheme and they (Kubiak & Co.) swallow their pride (The Denver System says we don't need to get a real running back) and get a real running threat into the backfield. Note that this may not happen until next season providing they get a shot at Adrian Peterson. I think you should cut Carr and this organization a little slack as Kubiak is trying to build a team out of the ruins created by the seemingly endless mistakes of the previous regime. The Texans are back to square one. The road to respectability is going to be a long one, filled with setbacks and big losses. Colts 38 Texans 13
Yes, it's a HUGE problem. I mean, besides the fact that there is a waiting list for season tickets (every year since the team has existed) a year after only winning 2 games, the Texans just don't have a large fanbase. They HAVE to do something to appease the hundreds of casual fans who may or may not live in Houston and don't really keep up with the team yet still complain about them on talk radio and the internet. If not, the season ticket waiting list might be just huge instead of super-huge.
Yes, this is the what I have been talking about. It's difficult at best to develop a cohesive strategy of any kind when your OL's pocket collapses before you can even minorly look up to find a receiver, any receiver. Until the Texans show an ability to protect Carr consistently and pick up the blitz packages, this will be the same tired message. Improvement on this must come across the board. Dakota, I agree that Carr has been a disappointment overall especially being the top pick in the draft. He has not done a good job of reading, analyzing defenses and or audibling to the better play when needed. Zero pocket presence is a bit premature because he needs to be able to do a quick scan of the field. If he was getting at least 4 seconds and still was putting up these numbers then yes, I would agree. But that's far from the case we all know that. McNabb had protection like I have never seen and hope never again with an opponent that part was brutal to watch. Peyton can look left, right and then back again before needing to scramble but, the national TV audience saw he can be somewhat ordinary when he is not amply protected courtesy of the Steelers in the divisional playoff last year. All I am saying is, by midseason, we will have a much better idea about if Carr is the man to lead us ultimately to the playoffs. So until then, hold off on the report card reports on Carr.
Thank you. My comment was uncalled for as well. I know retarted people and that can hurt feelings so I was wrong for that. Sorry for anyone I may have offended.
