Ok, got it! Cue the sarcasm, maestro! DA though since put in the lineup, has not been out for any reason. Like I said not excusing Schaub but a few cheap shots landed him on the bench for a few weeks. That and no AJ can affect a QB's timing and precision. Like I said, give Schaub a little leeway here. We ARE improving it's just difficult to see when we have sucked for SO long. Little nuances though there is improvement, there IS hope for better things! We had an outside chance at best of reaching the playoffs (then the rash of injuries), we need another cutting away of "dead wood" players, another good draft, some key FA pickups and then, lets hit the ground running for next year. Your comparison is noted though and duh, DA obviously wins this round.
Hello rhythm, Ric. Rhythm. You can't base where the duo stand after the NO game. The Saints secondary sucks worse than ours. Yes, the Browns bite too. For some reason, partially due to our thanksgiving of turnovers we played ourselves out of a win. It takes time though to get completely confident and knowing the who, what, when and where of ALL the plays. There's STILL some rust there. Hope for better in Nashville this week.
he was, but having Johnson for the other 7 games i'm sure Schaub would have put up much better numbers in over half of them. he's a huge improvement over Carr, still too early to tell if he was worth the huge contract.
Gotcha. Just feels so good to say it. You raise a good question about the expense of getting Schaub. Hopefully he justifies his price. I agree that the jury is still out, but I'm still so relieved to have done something different.
i think too many people are grading schaub on the "he's not david carr" scale and giving him a pass. but, like carr, we paid a steep price to get the guy, unproven, and then handed him the starting QB position. i think he's better, yes - but $48M and two 2s better? seems to me, so far at least, that he's probably going to be a "as good as the team around him" QB. i don't necessarily have a problem with that; troy aikman went to the hall of fame being as good as the team around him. but in order to put a good team around him... well, you need draft picks. the texans have traded away two 2s and two 3s for babin and buchanon. might not be fair to him, but if you're going to give up two more 2s to get schaub, he better bring more to the table than mid-level talent/results. trading six players for three... two of which are no longer on the team. yesh...
One should not forget that Schaub has 9 INTs to go along with his 9 TDs. One would hope that an above average NFL QB would have more TDs than INTs, by a pronounced margin.
D'oh! Guilty as charged. Indeed it's not. That's an evaluation of the Texans, not of Schaub. Kinda like all the fuss about Mario and his status as the first pick.
not to mention three lost fumbles (seven total). 12 TOs in 9.5 games - that's a 20-turnover pace. but he's better than carr!
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. No one here is saying Matt Schaub is Tom Brady. And to say that we're not allowed to compare Schaub to Carr is, I don't know...just kind of weird. Until this year, Carr was the starting QB and face of the franchise since it's very inception. Of COURSE people are going to compare them. It's almost like you're saying "see, I told you Carr wasn't the only reason we weren't winning Superbowls!!" when I don't know that anyone ever thought he was.
ehhhh.... not really. not to me, anyway - the schaub deal continued an organizational approach that is grinding the team to a halt - you can't continue to give away high draft picks and not realize a significant ROI. kubiak and company knew that the c&c **** factory had given away those picks; but he gave away two more anyway. well, it may be different regimes, but we lost/will lose a chance to add 6 of the 100 best players in college football over a 4-year period, regardless of which regime was more responsible for what - and that hurts. it's more closely related, imo, to it's not kubiak's fault that the city hasn't had a winning football team since 1993... but he's the guy in charge right now, so he has to deal with the very real ramifications of that. we're angry, frustrated and impatient and i don't think a lot of us are separating the two (or three) eras in our head and giving kubika a pass because he's only been here a year and a half...
i may be dc's biggest critic. seriously. i never said he was the only problem and i don't remember hearing others say that. i did say i thought the team would be better with a better qb. i do believe schaub is better than carr. and i do believe the texans are better this season than they were last season...despite the fact they're biggest offensive threat has been hurt for most of the season and their starting RB has made next to no impact at all.
But it is, unless I completely misunderstand the following: ...which is pretty much exclusively commentary about the Texans. You didn't mention Schaub not even once!
Can I put that in my sig? Seriously, you could have chased that with, "I may be something of an Astros fan."
many, many, many did. i don't know, max - whenever i listed "excuses" for carr last year - a lack of offensive threats w/ or w/o andre johnson, a running game that made next to no impact, not to mention a rookie head coach, a patched-together OL consisting of three opening day back-ups, a defense that gave up 26/game through the first seven and were on the field when buffalo and tennessee scored the winning points on the game's final play - your response was generally something in the neighborhood of, "you're right; david carr should be in the pro bowl." so why are these "excuses" suddenly legitimate? only difference i can see is a different name on the back of #8's jersey.... but yet i'm supposed to believe you don't hold carr near totally responsible? how often have you delighted in carr failing in carolina? are you taking equal delight in wali lundy being out of football? in eric moulds failing on a team desperate for WRs? in zach weigert retiring? they're on pace to win exactly one more game than last year... i think the team is better; i wouldn't list matt schaub among the top five reasons why. in fact, he sat out one of the wins - so he actually has them on a six-win pace, scoring less than 2 TDs/game. he's on pace to post 14 TDs and 19 TOs; carr the last three years: 14/17. but schaub is leading the league in not having the last name carr, so i guess he's "better." it just seems hypocritical to me. and then disingenious to come back and say, "i NEVER said it was ONLY carr....." maybe not, but i bet you posted more about carr than every other player on last year's team combined.
So did I. And so did you. No player on any team is more central than the QB. So he gets more praise than he deserves (Aikman being an excellent example) and more blame than he deserves. I don't see why it's such a big deal. Some folks are generally glad to have plain vanilla off the team. So be it. Frankly, I'm glad, too.
HUGE difference, Ric. I'm not saying that Schaub's shortcomings are anyone's fault but his own. I'm saying he's better than Carr despite not having AJ and not having RB help. I'm not saying he's performing poorly because of those other externalities. I'm saying I believe he's performed well in his very limited number of starts considering all that. Absolutely I posted a bunch about Carr. He was the FACE OF THE FRANCHISE. It's much easier for laypeople to see the problems with the guy who touches the ball every single offensive play....who is the focus of the camera during the game...then it is to focus on the free safety...or the left tackle...or the tight end. I don't know why it surprises you that people talk more about QB play than virtually anything else. They're usually given too much credit when their team wins and too much blame when they lose. It always works that way. But Carr flat out sucked. And despite all the excuses and arguments for changed scenery...guess what??? He still sucks. The only excuse you'll hear me make for Schaub is experience. He's essentially making his 9th start (9th, right?) this week. Carr's in his 6th season. Please. And I don't recall Moulds, Weigert or Lundy taking up the kind of space that Carr did here. They certainly weren't the focus of the offense for us, as Davie was.
