Yeah, he really looked terrible last week throwing for 290 yards with an 8.9 ypa average. If you don't see the impact of Schaub on the team and the passing game this year, it's because you're choosing not to look. The Texans are 7th in the league in passing yardage this year; they were 26th last year. Carr had a 323 yard game last year; his second best was 230 yards. Schaub has thrown for more yards in 6 of his 10 games, and was above 220 in 2 others (the other two, he was hurt - though he wasn't going to reach those numbers regardless). For the first time in a long time, the Texans actually can reliably move the ball through the air. If that isn't an improvement to you, I'm not sure what exactly you're expecting. Is it still a work in progress? Of course. But it's leaps and bounds better than anything you saw last year and that can be seen on the field and in the stats.
Despite playing in just 4 games, Andre Johnson already has two receptions longer than he had anytime in his entire 4 year career. He's just 1 TD short of last year's totals, and he's averaging 50% more yards per game. He leads the league in yards per game. He averages over 18 yards per catch, 2nd in the league only to his teammate, Andre Davis. For those wondering why Andre Johnson, despite making pro-bowls or whatnot with Carr, was unhappy and then thrilled to get Schaub, here's the answer: he actually gets the ball in position to do something with it this year.
At no time anywhere did I say that he's terrible, merely that I, too, have the same concerns that Ric mentioned (and for the record, Ric is also not calling him a terrible QB). But I'm just not going to say he's great by comparing him to what Carr did or didn't do because I feel that Schaub will have to stand or fall on his own merits. Also, I have never implied that their passing is not better this year vis-a-vis last year because it so obviously is MUCH better. You have confused me with someone else here. I'm very concerned about the hits he's taking because they have most definitely taken their toll and he's never had to face this level of physical abuse before.
my point is that madmax was just kidding with his post. but you couldn't help yourself to keep pointing out how we fans think it's ok for the texans to suck just b/c David Carr sucks when the fact is, it's got no bearing about how we fans think of our texans. NO, we do NOT think things are fine for the Texans just b/c David Carr sucks.
I'll believe that when you "fans" stop going out of your way to continuously bring up the bad performances of players who have no bearing on what's happening with the Texans. I also see that you couldn't help yourself to attack someone for the sake of attacking something. Now, if I'd been some sort of ass in my response to MM - had I attacked him on a personal level by leveling insults at him then I could see the need to get on my case because that would have been behavior that was over the line. But nothing of the sort ever happened in my post.
You said that you agreed with Ric's opinion, which was: i've yet to see any reason to be excited about schaub... his decision-making, his athleticism, his arm strength... they've thus far unimpressed me. I don't see how you can objectively look at Schaub and what he's got to work with, and not be impressed at the progress this team's made. The running game is no better than last year, if not worse with Green hurt. The receivers have been worse given that AJ was out for more than half the season along with Jacoby's injury. And apparently the O-Line still sucks pretty badly according to most. So with all of that, we're 7th in the league in passing and in the top half of the league in scoring - a big part of that is the result of Schaub being able to move the ball despite all those problems. If that doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what you expect out of the QB position. He's not Manning/Palmer/Brady/etc, but given that we didn't spend a 1st round pick on the guy and I'm assuming you're not relying on sheer luck of finding a Brady or Romo, I'm not sure what you'd need to see to be excited about a QB. Out of the 32 starting QB's in the league right now, who would you prefer to have over Schaub? I think we could all agree on Manning, Palmer, Brady, Favre, Romo, and maybe Roethlisberger. I'd say Schaub probably fits into the next tier of QBs (probably 5-7 people in this tier), which seems to be reasonable value for a couple of 2nd round picks.
i don't see how discussing someone's bad performance who had been the "leader" of this team the past 5 years means that it's ok for us "fans" to excuse the Texans suckage. i don't see the correlation. we just point out that he sucks. there's no, "David Carr sucks so I'm happy no matter what happens with the Texans." David Carr is forever linked to the Texans. why can't we talk about him? you know, we talk about current Texans that suck too.
of course they have. we should have kept davie. he's shown us just how good he can be on a REAL team with real help!!
no no no...lalalalalallalalalalalalalalala...there's nothing good about him. the carr haters were wrong. no one can be successful at the QB spot for the texans. not even peyton manning or tom brady could guide this team to wins!!! lalalalalalalalalalalalala
in the few games I've seen this year, it seems like I've seen more of a vertical passing game than all the Carr years combined. One of the few promising signs coming from this team.
The Texans are currently tied for 7th in the league in fewest sacks given up. Tied with the Colts and Cowboys. Vince Young has been sacked more than the Texan QB's combined. Contrast that with where we ended up in this catagory in 2005, David Carr's last....er, uh.... our last QB's last year. I'm not supposed to mention that QB's name. Let's see.... we were..... OH YEAH....... LAST. With 14 more sacks given up than the 2nd to last place team. I know, I know....it was probably the lack of a running game, which of course has looked GREAT this year...
No..it's all the same. Schaub is no better than Carr. Carr will do wonders on a real team. Just wait and see. No one can lead this Texans bunch to victories. They look no better. There's no improvement. The passing game is equally bad to last season. Still nothing but sack, sack, sack. Sincerely,
Well, to be fair, he's never been a starter before, so even if the Texans led the league in not getting sacked Hillboy's statement is technically accurate.
I'm with the guy who said DC is "forever linked with the Texans". Well, maybe not forever, but the taste will still be fresh in many fans' mouths for a couple of years to come. If you can mentally move on from DC or any of the other figures linked to the Texans, then kudos. But many of us (myself included) find ourselves checking the box score to see how our former QB did, because of familiarity, curiosity, etc. Maybe, for some, even malice! But none of that is wrong IMO. If DC were setting the world on fire, I'm fairly certain there would be "fans" would wouldn't stop going out of [their] way to continuously bring up the [good] performances of players who have no bearing on what's happening with the Texans. Do some people feel vindicated in the positions they've held watching DC continue to suck on a new team? Sure they do! And, I can't blame them. Nor can I blame them for bringing it up. It was a huge part of the Texans' history, so I don't understand complaining about it when people bring it up. Back to being in the pub sharing brewskis: I'll make a deal with ya. You stop complaining about people bringing up DC, and I'll stop b****ing when you bring up the '06 draft. Whaddya say?
wouldn't a better, more relevant comparison be... oh, i don't know: derek anderson? in his first REAL year in the NFL, he's likely going to the playoffs and then hawaii.
if Schaub had Andre Johnson the whole year, like Anderson's had Braylon Edwards, don't you think his performance would be much better?
the texans have scored 243 points - but 91 of those were scored either with schaub injured (schaub has thrown 9 TDs; rosenfels 7 in 191 fewer attempts) or by special teams/defense. with schaub as a starting QB, the team is generating just under 14 points a game (13.8). i've pointed this out numerous times; you continue to ignore it and hang the "they're one of the higher scoring teams in football" banner - no. they are not. not with matt schaub at QB. and to me, passing yards - a cumulative stat - is meaningless if it's not leading to points. well, first of all, there's no doubt about roethlisberger. brees, hasselbeck and bulger, too. anderson, cutler and garrard are all having better years and are roughly the same age/experience level. garcia is, too, though i wouldn't "build' around garcia - still, he was certainly available and wouldn't have cost us two 2s (plus $48M). so that puts schaub in the same tier as kitna, rivers and the other manning.... seems about right. and honestly, i'm still optimistic about schaub. i use him more as a confirmation of how bad the team around him was/is. but i do see a lot that really worries me. it's just a gut, instinctive feeling. for all the talk of how smart he is, god - does he make some poor decisions on the field.
